Shia LeBouf rape,sexism at its fineist.

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My facebook is full articles about Shias rape. I am so sorry he went through this. However not one article mentions his clothing at the time,alcohol consumption,past partners,whether he knew the person. Not even "rape" or alledged rape. Pick up any article about a woman talking about her rape and it is full of what she was wearing etc.
Fucking deprressing really.

If a man had tried to rape him, I wonder if he would he have just laid there and let it happen? I agree that if a woman had done this there is a near certainty she would be raped. Iggy Azalea had to stop crowd surfing at her shows because she was continually sexually assaulted.

I don't think We Believe You applies to men. It is to address under reporting of rape by women.

I should imagine male rape is reported even less, because of people's attitude toward it.

If we believe you doesn't apply to men then that's pretty shit to be honest

Ouch flora I've got to say I disagree with you there.

Why is it shit? Have you read about the campaign and why it's needed?

At least your honest choc that the notion of men "being raped" by women is less reported than women being raped is simply a product of your imagination.

It's all a bit strange I think. Saying nothing should never be taken as consent, but surely he gave consent in the first place by saying 'you can do whatever you want'. I find it all very odd to say to all and sundry 'do what you like to me' in the name of art and then afterwards say 'but I meant everything except that'

The campaign was started with women in mind obviously and while victim blaming doesn't seem to happen to straight men raped by men I'm fairly sure any man who is assaulted who doesn't fit that mould gets similar problems eg a gay man assaulted in a club will get exactly the same shit as a woman in a similar position.

I think focusing on women and older girls makes sense for Mumsnet as it's something that came from the women who post here and their own experiences but the message of belief is applicable to all victims I think.

The campaign was started with women in mind obviously and while victim blaming doesn't seem to happen to straight men raped by men I'm fairly sure any man who is assaulted who doesn't fit that mould gets similar problems eg a gay man assaulted in a club will get exactly the same shit as a woman in a similar position.

I think focusing on women and older girls makes sense for Mumsnet as it's something that came from the women who post here and their own experiences but the message of belief is applicable to all victims I think.

The campaign addresses rape myths that are highly gendered eg that women routinely lie about rape because they regret sex. That simply doesn't apply to men.

Which is true.

I think the name of the campaign next to the statement that it doesn't apply to men has a large chance of being misunderstood. Presumably you mean the campaign is focused on women and older girls due to the particular barriers they face in a highly sexist society. Not because you think when men say they have been victims of sex crimes they should be treated as if they might well be lying. Iyswim.

To my mind, assessing Shia's actions aren't the way you'd establish 'rape' in this case. The woman cynically used the format of the installation to have sex withsomeone who wouldn't ordinarily consent, in the context that resistance would have harmed his professional standing. I'd say she was a rapist.

seven yes that's about right. Whether I'd believe a particular man would depend but I wouldn't automatically disbelieve him.

I don't believe what Shia Lebeouf is describing is rape though.

That's an interesting point of view OutsSelf. Hmm this is a tricky one, I can see it from both sides

I'd agree with that. Regardless of whether its classed as "rape rape" (ergh, sorry about that), you have to have serious doubts about whether the woman who decided she should have sex on a prone le beouf should be out in public

Some clarifications from his team

I had the same thought processes as mama. By saying do anything to me was he giving consent? If he gave consent then can it be rape/sexual assault if he didn't retract that's consent?

I find everyone's posts on this very interesting as I just don't know what to think tbh

Yes Beyond,
It's a disturbed person who tries anything sexual with someone in that position isn't it.

Apparently he at no point said "do anything to me"

The woman cynically used the format of the installation to have sex withsomeone who wouldn't ordinarily consent, in the context that resistance would have harmed his professional standing. An amazing correlation to what happens in the interactions within prostitution there. Yet people (and I'm not suggesting you OutsSelf) are outraged if you think women in prostitution are being raped by their punter.

Interesting the differing opinions of the commenters and the victim in this case, because the victim is a man. Also, with one notable exception, how much more respectful people are being on this thread to the experiences of Shia, than they are to the experiences of those women in prostitution.

Agree Scallops, I think that you can't purchase consent. In fact my argument was based on how I would view this if Shia was a woman/ a prostitute. And in all cases of rape I think you should focus on the actions of the attacker and not the victim. Otherwise you are victim blaming. To my mind you should always be thinking, could the perp genuinely believe they had willing consent? Er, not if you've had to pay for that 'consent' - payment is coercion, and not if you've had to take advantage of a situation like this.

Celeste I don't know if you are still reading this thread but your earlier comment has disgusted me.

I was going to NC but then I have already spent too many years being ashamed.

I was raped aged 19. I was an adult. Not shy but quite confident and out going.

I never moved. I did not utter a single word while he raped me. I switched off. I don't know if it was fear of being hurt or killed or my brain gong in to self preservation mode. I never said no or stop. I didn't fight back.

I spent years blaming myself. Years of torturing myself for not stopping it, for not fighting back. I did not say no but nor did I consent.

Before it happened to me I was the first to say it wouldn't. That I would fight back, scream and speak out. To this day I am ashamed for not doing more and comments like yours only add to my shame.