Girls beating up boys

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Has any girl on here ever beat up a boy?

Jassy I would think it is fairly effective as a comeback. "You can't afford it" works on a number of levels:
it implies that the woman is better than the man
the woman is judging the man
the woman is saying the man is unattractive i.e. he has to pay for sex as no-one would do it voluntarily

As a sexist creep is someone who judges and looks down on woman I would think they would hate this comeback as it does exactly the same back to them.

I'm finding it laughable that taking the piss out of some creepy fucker's sexual preferences is akin to racial/ableist/homophobic abuse. One being illegal, the other, not so much. One being directed at an oppressed group, the other, not so much.

But that's patriarchy for you.

But I do agree with messy about using the patriarchy's language (and why we use it). A lightbulb moment there thank you.

I get that - my issue is that it implies that there is a price that would be acceptable, it's just high.

I rarely said fuck off to men like that though as it felt more confrontational and at 13 or 14 I don't know I don't think I would have aid that to an adult even one who was being a perve.

Thinking about it - in that situation is want a retort that's about the man and his body, and even be pretty crude about it, than make it about my body.

We're in a culture we're women's bodies are seen increasingly as a commodity, so anything that works against the dominant perception gets my vote.

I still don't think that the comment was offensive, but can see that as Frau already feels "got at" that it's a sensitive subject. I can now understand why she took it in a, to me, slightly unusual way. Which isn't me judging her, just saying that I genuinely couldn't see where she was coming from before, but now do - even if I still disagree.

so now we have two people on the thread who see children saying you can't afford it to creepy men as opening negotiations!

What is going on here? It is something teenage girls commonly day to creepy men. It does not mean or in any way imply that they are selling sex. The girls know that, and the men they say it to know that.

Apocalypse Agree, it's why I prefer it to just "fuck off". Though maybe a variation on "when hell freezes over" might end up being preferable now?

Yes Jassy, agreed. Another one is when I hear girls and women use the "grow some balls" "don't be a girl" remarks to put men or boys down. It's always bothered me, because essentially it is endorsing the patriarchal viewpoint that men are superior. However it is quick, effective and is in a language that is understood by everyone and I suspect that's why it's used.

Maybe we should come up with a list of sharp retorts to come back with that are feminist.

I would love to have the guts to arch my eyebrow and skilfully say "do you really think that your possession of a penis, a complete accident of birth by the way, gives you the authority to disturb my right to peacefully occupy public space, whilst retaining that privilege for yourself?!"

I would love to know the reaction!

If you want to stop girls saying it you either need to find something better in every way and get it out there somehow

or go into schools or child websites and educate as to why they shouldn't say it

(or take away the need for them to say it in the first place which would be the best result)

If there are people who genuinely see that as some kind of opening negotiation then maybe it's safer not to use it in case the perverts also use that kind of logic - which I wouldn't put past them seeing as they already obviously view women as objects.

messy I'd love to see that too!

I'm guessing "fuck off you snotty bitch" would be the reaction.

They don't though. The men who have it said to them understand that it means get stuffed, as the girls walk off laughing.

Okay, scallops, I get that offending someone who is into BDSM is not exactly the same as making homophobic comments.

I am Australian. So if someone makes an "Australians are stupid" joke (and believe me there are lots of them) I know it's not the same as racism.

It doesn't mean I don't find it offensive, though.

^so now we have two people on the thread who see children saying you can't afford it to creepy men as opening negotiations!

What is going on here? It is something teenage girls commonly day to creepy men. It does not mean or in any way imply that they are selling sex. The girls know that, and the men they say it to know that.^

Come on, Seven. You know that isn't what people are saying - it's a fuckload more subtle and around the language we use to describe women's bodies versus the language we use to describe men's bodies.

This is a statement derived from the not uncommon idea that women's bodies have a price, whether it's monetary, or 'a husband who will support them' or whatever else. The people using it aren't necessarily (or even likely to be) thinking that because it's been used for ages - but the underlying meaning is there.

Meanwhile, as messy says, the language around men's bodies implies they are superior.

Are you seriously saying that because a phrase is in common use, its use and meaning shouldn't be discussed or challenged?

Bugger, stuffed up the italics.

FrauHelga: "Wouldn't the good faith thing for others not to jump all over me and tell me I shouldn't be posting here?"

Good faith would be to not immediately go to another thread to tell everyone that you've been "shot down" on this thread as an example of how awful the FWR board is. Not really willing to give it a chance, where you?

"Or take away the need for them to say it in the first place which would be the best result"

What you mean, Seven you want creepy men to stop being creepy to young girls? You want to take away their inalienable right to call out pervy comments in the street, you want to censure their freedom of speech....?

How utterly preposterous of you

Btw Frau, if any poster had told OP to fuck off, he could report that as a PA.

Seven how do you know what all the men are thinking?

I just don't see the need to bring money or insinuation of money into it at all.

Are you seriously saying that because a phrase is in common use, its use and meaning shouldn't be discussed or challenged?

This

NotDavidTennant - not just this thread.

Well the ones I said it to must have got the point because they didn't follow me.

The ones I have seen it said to have left the girls alone as well.

When men think you are opening negotiations they simply ask how much.

And I'm not sure that girls need to be concerning themselves with how creepy men think, as long as what they do gets them to leave them alone.

Like I say changing that phrase could probably be done with time and effort though. And as I have said loads of times it is a problematical phrase for a number of reasons.

I literally had no idea that there were people who took this to mean anything other than go away and leave me alone.

True, Yonic, a direct "fuck off" would be deemed a personal attack.

But, actually, all the bandwagon jumping in the first few threads may well have been what the OP wanted. He or she may someone trying to get fantasy material for a wank, or may be just another goady troll, in which case the reactions were exactly what was wanted.

The derail was actually a really good thing, though, because it looks like it's been very thought provoking for lots of people.