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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Feminist pub no 12: The Bluestocking Returns, this time with goats!

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YonicScrewdriver · 05/10/2014 09:18

Welcome!

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Zazzles007 · 29/10/2014 10:26

I'm sorry rosdearg, but that article that you linked is complete and absolute bollocks. The author of the article has based her whole article on this sentence:

Assuming feminists start advocating that we hunt down all the world’s men and boys, load them onto trains bound for death camps, and systematically massacre them solely on the basis of their sex, then that’s where I draw the line.

So she is assuming that feminists are going to start advocating killing all men and boys, ASSUMING. No links to articles, no quotes from other feminists, no screen grabs or such, nothing, nada, ZIP. And she doesn't want to be a feminist based on an assumption??? Fuck me, if we are only going to go on assumptions rather than hard facts and data, why don't we all go live in Wonderland as well??? Hmm

PumpkinGordino · 29/10/2014 10:29

zazzles, it's the onion, so usually satirical

like this piece which someone linked to the other day and made me laugh www.theonion.com/articles/woman-takes-short-halfhour-break-from-being-femini,35026/

Zazzles007 · 29/10/2014 10:30

Oh thank goodness Petula - not an Onion reader (phew!). All that vitriol for nothing! Grin

PumpkinGordino · 29/10/2014 10:33
Grin
SconeRhymesWithGone · 29/10/2014 14:34

My favorite Onion article on the notion that feminism is about choice:

Women Now Empowered by Everything a Woman Does

FloraFox · 29/10/2014 15:49

I love the Onion articles on feminism. Trying to find the one about a man being in charge of feminism which is quite pertinent at the moment.

I think this article is in response to the recent women against feminism hashtag.

SconeRhymesWithGone · 29/10/2014 15:59

Is it this one?

Man Finally Put in Charge of Struggling Feminist Movement

FloraFox · 29/10/2014 16:01

Thanks Scone, that's it. Genius.

SconeRhymesWithGone · 29/10/2014 16:11

Peter "Buck" McGowan. Well, the Buck is obvious; don't know about the UK, but in the States "peter" is slang for penis. Grin

PumpkinGordino · 29/10/2014 16:49

this is a really interesting interview with katherine howe, editor of "the penguin book of witches"

jezebel.com/the-truth-about-witches-an-interview-with-katherine-ho-1649987737

Zazzles007 · 30/10/2014 11:06

'I'm no feminist': Julie Bishop Aust Politics

Good lord this woman is an idiot . The only woman on that misogynist Abbott's cabinet, and she has the idiocy to say "I'm no feminist". Fucking hell, how much more stupid can this government be??? And not only that, other women are backing her??? Fucking hell...

Zazzles007 · 30/10/2014 11:09

And as a counter point to what I have just posted:

Things that have more women than Abbotts Govt

Enjoy Grin

MyEmpireOfDirt · 30/10/2014 11:35

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Zazzles007 · 30/10/2014 11:45

that quote from Abbott! Does he have no self awareness at all?

It appears that Abbott has no self awareness whatsoever. You should have seen what he has said about one of his MPs and his daughters to the media. He described a female MP of his as a 'good sort', and just before the election, said that he was the candidate with the 'good looking daughters' (or words to that effect). What hope do we have when our prime minister is so clueless?

rosdearg · 30/10/2014 14:46

Watched that awful film that is currently on iplayer - at least flicked through some of it - last night: The Accidental Husband. (I don't know what was going through my mind, I was tired and wanted light relief and had clearly forgotten everything I have learnt about what is genuinely fun and relaxing and refreshing, and what is poisonous and toxic)

Without watching the whole film, I thought about the tropes that stood out for me as messages (not from this particular film which came out when I was about 36 but from love stories generally) that have had a negative effect on my entire life. (what can I do about my dds? How can I help them have a better life than me without locking them in a cave?)

Premise: woman hosts relationship-advice radio show. Beautiful and successful and engaged to a v, handsome man, believes she has everything sussed. Tells a woman caller who has obvious cold feet to call off her wedding. Dumped fiance decides to fuck with her (radio show lady) as revenge. Stalks her, hacks her personal govt records so that they are "married" (so she can't marry her real fiance), lies to her, obstructs her, fucks with her life, until they fall in love, happily ever after.

Things I really, really noticed:

That we are supposed to sympathise with the charming man who is creepily manipulating a woman and lying to her and ruining her life. That in addition to this, his whole motivation is entitled outrage that his original gf has left him and wants to move on. (for good reason). Yet he is a "nice guy."

That when the radio host finds out that he has manipulated her and lied to her, and is furious, he explains that he "wanted to take her down a peg". This is positioned in the film as being absolutely reasonable. That absolutely ran through me with cold chills. I recognised so many times in my life when men had wanted, and felt quite justified in this, to "take me down a peg" for no reason other than that they thought the upper hand was owed to them. Cruelty, humililation, slack or cavalier treatment, refusal to communicate, etc - all fine, when a woman needs to be taken down a peg. She is supposed to be a fair target because she is beautiful, has a successful radio show and a book coming out. How very bloody dare she? God, men hate women who are good at stuff. They really fucking hate us.

That (as far as I can tell - I didn't watch more than half in total of the whole loathesome thing) the two female characters (the radio host, and the original fiancee who dumps the, ahem, "hero") have no friends. No female family, no confidantes (one has a father). They make big life changing decisions about getting married alone, or with the help of a stranger on the radio. They have no support, they have no fun with other women. Female friendship does not exist.

These three things all together summed up the big mistakes I have made in my life with relationships:

1 - over sympathising with, or weak boundaries towards, with men who are being a bit shit or even nasty because society is giving them a free pass as "good blokes"

2 - not realising when I am simply being punished for being competent or even talented, and maybe (at one time) daring to be a bit pretty at the same time; not realising when I am being "taken down a peg"

3 - not staying close enough to other women. Not being honest enough about how shit I was being treated, not having open communication with older wiser women especially

Forgive the self indulgence. I really wanted to get that out there.

Now. What about dds?

The only thing I can think of solutions to right now, is 3. So I will a. stay as close to them as I can, as they will let me, and b. make sure I support good healthy friendships that they have and c. maybe send them to mumsnet one day!

BellaSolanum · 30/10/2014 16:28

So is this the kind of pub where a stranger walks in and everyone turns to stare? Or can I just pull up a stool?

BecauseIsaidS0 · 30/10/2014 16:36

If the goat likes you, you are good Grin

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 30/10/2014 16:42

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YonicScrewdriver · 30/10/2014 16:44

NORM!! BELLA!!

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rosdearg · 30/10/2014 16:56

Buffy I wish you whole worlds of luck. Brew Wine and Flowers

Welcome Bella! Pull up a stool, or better still a fat armchair, and tell us about your day. (The advantage of a feninist pub is barstools suitable for those around 5'4" so that I don't have to climb onto them like a toddler)

BellaSolanum · 30/10/2014 17:01

Good luck Buffy!

ZombiePuffinsAreREAL · 30/10/2014 17:13

Welcome Bella. We don't stare. We might ask impertinent questions though Grin

This gem has appeared on my Twitter feed. Missouri hates women too! Yay!

ballsballsballs · 30/10/2014 17:26

Good luck Buffy and welcome Bella.

I have my suspicions about a recent thread in these parts (not this one, obvs) but it's still standing so far.

KarmaViolet · 30/10/2014 18:32

(The advantage of a feninist pub is barstools suitable for those around 5'4" so that I don't have to climb onto them like a toddler)

I want some of these!! And with footrests at the right height so that I'm not sat there with my feet dangling, which never fails to make me feel like a child being allowed to stay out with the adults.

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