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Dave Lee Travis

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limitedperiodonly · 26/09/2014 18:26

He didn't get it, did he?

My personal view is that a suspended sentence was in order for the level of the assault and the fact that he has no other convictions.

But that speech on the steps of the court moved me to touch him, and not in a touchy-feely kind of way.

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PetulaGordino · 27/09/2014 17:08

"Women get their bottoms pinched. It is part of life. Get over it"

it's illegal ffs

just because it's "not as bad" (i.e. what DLT was convicted of) as rolf harris, max clifford or jimmy savile then the victim isn't entitled to the legal process? where is the cut-off point?

PetulaGordino · 27/09/2014 17:09

no i'm not surprised at spouses standing by either. i do wonder what they might have been subjected to themselves though

PuffinsAreFicticious · 27/09/2014 17:12

The comments on the article on Twitter are interesting too. It's not 'as bad' as what JS, RH et al did, so you shouldn't bother the police, but because Camilla Long didn't bother the police, she must have been lying. It's almost as if these people want to silence victims.

Oh, hang on...

AnyoneForTARDIS · 27/09/2014 17:14

forgive my complete dunceness but-

what exactly does 'suspended' sentence mean?

YonicScrewdriver · 27/09/2014 17:19

It means he only goes to jail if he breaks the law or any other conditions of the sentence; then this sentence would be activated and mean jail time.

AnyoneForTARDIS · 27/09/2014 17:25

thanks, my fellow Whovian Grin.

so in other words he basically gets away with it and his devoted wife stays with him and he wins.

YonicScrewdriver · 27/09/2014 17:28

Yup Sad

But he has been found guilty which is good.

AnyoneForTARDIS · 27/09/2014 17:30

I don't know.

for me, guilty means jail.

if they did that with the others (RH MC) why not him? same allegations aren't they?

YonicScrewdriver · 27/09/2014 17:32

It's to do with the severity of the offence and the sentencing that would have been possible at the time of the offence.

The offence was against an adult as well.

ElephantsNeverForgive · 27/09/2014 17:36

No he doesn't win, he'll never work again.

But femanism and the cause if women's rights doesn't win either.

It's a pointless, trivial sentence, because it's a case that would probably never have come to trial if he hadn't been famous.

99.99% of women who have been abused by a sexist twat of a boss. Have absolutely no chance of any come back.

This ridiculous show trial is no comfort to them and it's not going to make men behave any better either.

jaffacake2 · 27/09/2014 17:50

I remember seeing DLT at an opening of a new disco (!) in Bristol in late 1970s. I was 18 and there was a crowd of quite young girls probably 16-18 all over him, their choice. No one said it was wrong and they were competing on who would kiss him.
Very different time and must have confused the men who were in the limelight then.
Thankfully times have changed. Women now know that it is illegal to be touched against their will, bottoms aren't pinched on tubes like we had to endure.
I am not excusing his behaviour at all, I think he is an arrogant man who cannot see that his actions were wrong.
But he would never have been in court in the 70s and 80s.

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limitedperiodonly · 27/09/2014 17:55

This ridiculous show trial is no comfort to them and it's not going to make men behave any better either.

Really elephants?

I admit I'm not familiar with the remit of Operation Yewtree. Is it just for celebrities or can anyone join in? Have I got that wrong? Do you know better?

I thought it was an investigation into any historic sex crime and that it's got skewed towards famous people because they make the news.

But whether you have to have appeared on Top of the Pops to have your collar felt, doesn't seem to be important now.

For me, what's important is that victims, female or male, who have been assaulted in the past by authority figures might feel the police and CPS will at least listen to their testimonies, even if they decide there isn't enough evidence to go forward.

And that might make the people who abuse, who are generally men, think twice.

If you doubt that, just think how so many companies have codes of conducts covering the behaviour at work of their employees and how people have changed their behaviour if they want to keep their jobs.

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YonicScrewdriver · 27/09/2014 17:55

The assault was in 1995, Jaffa.

OutsSelf · 27/09/2014 17:55

" it's not going to make men behave any better either"

I really think it might. DLT and the millions of creepy idiots like him literally do not realise that they are infringing on the lives of those that they insistently touch. His indignant, "No one said I was committing a crime!" really illustrates this. And also his massive sense of entitlement.

YonicScrewdriver · 27/09/2014 17:56

"No he doesn't win, he'll never work again."

Good.

jaffacake2 · 27/09/2014 18:01

Yes I know it was in 1995.
Just trying to show how his ideas on women and what was acceptable in the 70s may have affected his judgement and boundaries.
Not excusing him, just a different perspective.
And yes he would have known that society's views on women had changed,thankfully,in the 90s but was it ingrained into a lot of those celebrities of the era that women are just sex objects ?

seenem · 27/09/2014 18:10

You lot have obviously never been in a northern night club when a group of Scotsmen in kilts walk in.

Bottom pinching doesn't come into it!!

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limitedperiodonly · 27/09/2014 18:11

he would never have been in court in the 70s and 80s

No, he wouldn't have been. But it's 2014 and times have changed. Tough.

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YonicScrewdriver · 27/09/2014 18:11

In 1995 he was 50. Not too old to learn new things.

This wasn't a young fan girl competing to kiss him, this was a woman who was having a cigarette whose breasts he grabbed. There was no "mistake" about "going a bit far" in a kissing competition - she was 28 years younger and junior to him work wise.

Anyone, judge said it was worthy of a custodial sentence but he took the decision to suspend given the health and financial impact of the trials on DLT.

ElephantsNeverForgive · 27/09/2014 18:12

It makes make bosses afraid to recruit female workers, it makes male co workers nervous around female colleagues. It doesn't change attitudes!

It doesn't make young men see that this behaviour is fundamentally wrong. It doesn't make men understand why it upsets and frightens women, because nothing equivalent happens to them.

YonicScrewdriver · 27/09/2014 18:13

"You lot have obviously never been in a northern night club when a group of Scotsmen in kilts walk in."

Unwanted sexual contact is sexual assault. In a nightclub, wherever.

YonicScrewdriver · 27/09/2014 18:14

"It makes make bosses afraid to recruit female workers, it makes male co workers nervous around female colleagues."

Any man grabbing his female colleagues' breasts should be fucking nervous.

PetulaGordino · 27/09/2014 18:16

i don't like the way some people (both men and women, note) behave when my dp wears his kilt

PetulaGordino · 27/09/2014 18:16

why should men be nervous? just don't sexually assault women, job's a goodun

AnyoneForTARDIS · 27/09/2014 18:17

okay. hell never work again.

yet according to entertainment news on the bbc the guy who was in jail for a while on certain charges, who was a dj and presenter in the 70s and 80s is now back on tv (was on TOTP) and is going to present a programme about the band Genesis.

and the BBC agreed to show any clips with him. I don't understand this.