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Dave Lee Travis

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limitedperiodonly · 26/09/2014 18:26

He didn't get it, did he?

My personal view is that a suspended sentence was in order for the level of the assault and the fact that he has no other convictions.

But that speech on the steps of the court moved me to touch him, and not in a touchy-feely kind of way.

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gincamparidryvermouth · 26/09/2014 23:18

There's a picture with some news stories I've seen of some poor woman presenting ( Annie Nightingale ?) on a relatively recent Top of The Pops and on one side is DLT licking her face and on the other Jimmy Savile seemingly looking at her boobs.

Grim

Yes indeed. Or as we women like to call it, "Life."

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limitedperiodonly · 26/09/2014 23:24

I think the judge should be able to jail anyone, who once found guilty, comes out with such a load of self serving bollocks.

Rufus If it was between conviction and sentencing, he'd risk a heavier penalty from the judge. As it is, it's distasteful, but he's allowed to do it.

What I meant to ask in my OP was whether he should have been indulged on the steps of the court by the media.

I am a journalist and I know why it happened. But IMO, not only should it not have happened, if it had been any other crime, it wouldn't.

Sex offences against adult women are different though.Owen Oysten was allowed to insist he didn't do it either. He may be out, but he's still a rapist.

Not that the Hairy Cornflake is a rapist. He's a titty groper. I want to be accurate. And I'd hate to be deleted by his defenders like erm, what was his name again?

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Chippednailvarnish · 26/09/2014 23:32

What was the general consensus on the Jeremy Vine show?

Scarletohello · 26/09/2014 23:35

Fuck I wish he'd gone to prison. A suspended sentence just seems like a slap on the wrist. And enables him to make statements like he did today. He seemed angry and there was not one ounce of remorse.

Vile man.

emotionsecho · 27/09/2014 00:16

DLT's constant insistence that he was "a big cuddly bear" and that meant he had carte blanche to grope was just vile. If he kept his mucky mits to himself he wouldn't have been convicted of sexual assault, such an easy concept but one which he seems unable to grasp.

Just for rutters1 that advert is a post modern ironic gender reversal of the genre known as 'Carry On', dreamt up by a man wearing a Donald Draper suit who listened to DLT in his youth. HTH.

NickAndNora · 27/09/2014 00:29

Shouting at The Times journalist in court just goes to show how these men get away with intimidating their victims even while on trial. He's lucky he didn't do it while the judge was sitting. Mind you, his type would probably still get away with contempt of court. It's beyond fucking annoying that he is still being allowed to portray himself as the real victim in all this. It's guys like him that perpetuate the idea of some evil female conspiracy to bring men down using sex charges, which leads to things like the system failing to support the teenage girl assaulted by Arnis Zalkalns, which leads to Arnis Zalkalns being free to roam the streets, which leads to ...

To make the world safer for all women we need to stop the discrediting and maligning of sexual assault victims.

sandysbrain · 27/09/2014 00:31

Three months SUSPENDED? WTAF?

And are we supposed to believe that he groped this one woman but all the others were making it up?

I hope the CPS appeal the laxity of the sentence, but I won't hold my breath.

Bakeoffcakes · 27/09/2014 00:34

I've just seen the journalist speaking on the news. She was very shaken by DLT's rant at her. I'm so annoyed the court didn't do anything. Why does the judge have to be there for anything to have been done?
On the other hand it just shows everyone his true colours.

He says he's going to campaign against the way suspected sex offenders are treated.Hmm

NickAndNora · 27/09/2014 00:45

He says he's going to campaign against the way suspected sex offenders are treated.

What a noble cause for him to get behind. Here's some images to show the terrible way suspected sex offenders are treated.

Move over Gandhi, Mother Teresa and Nelson Mandela. Here comes DLT! Won't somebody think of the sex offenders?!

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Scarletohello · 27/09/2014 00:49

Great images Nickand. Where did you get them from?

ElephantsNeverForgive · 27/09/2014 00:53

I just feel sorry for all the thousands of women watching this expensive farce and thinking, the boss, colleague, boyfriend, teacher who abused me isn't famous.

No one in authority is going to spend ££££ to try them once, let alone twice!

ElephantsNeverForgive · 27/09/2014 01:03

A few high profile show trials can't put right the wrongs of the past.

I'd far rather see the money spent on better DV policing, education and social services training to improve the lives of women and girls now and I'm the future.

ElephantsNeverForgive · 27/09/2014 01:03

Into the future.

PetulaGordino · 27/09/2014 01:10

i don't know actually, i'm a bit conflicted on that. while we don't always see the results we might like, there is an element of saying to these famous, wealthy, entitled men that what they thought was a bit of harmless fun, or their right, or a perk of the job, actually caused harm and disgust and hasn't been forgotten

7Days · 27/09/2014 01:11

Show Trials. that's exactly it, Elephants

NickAndNora · 27/09/2014 01:13

Scarlethello

I saw the first image on the Twitter account of a radfem but the statistics are from the Department of Justice in America (so not from the UK but probably comparable). The second image was a front page of The Independent.

ElephantsNeverForgive · 27/09/2014 01:17

It's a front page carnival for the masses while the underlying culture of misogyny and not believing women, particularly as Rochdale showed, vulnerable women goes on.

NickAndNora · 27/09/2014 01:22

Given the way victims of sex crimes are treated in the media and on social media I have enormous respect for the former TV researcher who came forward in this case. There is a part of me that wonders if she would have been believed if she was a former care-home child who did not go on to be successful in life.

PetulaGordino · 27/09/2014 01:24

yes that is very true

LondonMilly · 27/09/2014 16:21

Did anyone hear Camilla Long on Jeremy Vine being heavily criticised by another woman who thought it was ridiculous that she should complain about DLT's behaviour during the interview and said she should have hit him??? I don't know who the other woman was, does anyone remember?

PuffinsAreFicticious · 27/09/2014 16:46

Apparently we all just need to get a bit of perspective it's perfectly ok for someone to grope someone's breasts for 15 seconds. And also ok to tell your employees not to fuck the guests...

Right-o

Clawdy · 27/09/2014 16:56

I've been rather surprised by the reporting of papers like the Guardian and the Independent, I expected better I suppose. Yet the Mirror this morning used words like "arrogant...self-pitying tirade...bleating...whining...not an iota of remorse..." Well done.

mymummademelistentoshitmusic · 27/09/2014 16:56

Not read the thread yet, but have to say, the case notwithstanding, he's come across as an arrogant, foul, entitled piece of excrement. Maybe probably that's why he thought it was/is ok to do the things he's done. Shocked at the wife standing by it as well.

YonicScrewdriver · 27/09/2014 17:04

Whining about the waste of taxpayers' money is a load of crap too. Could've saved that money, plus your own, by pleading guilty, DLT!

YonicScrewdriver · 27/09/2014 17:06

I'm not shocked by spouses standing by; I never am. Whether they will continue to stand by once the media have gone and they've got space to think, I don't know.