Minor male entitlements

[kentishgirl]

It's not just the big things, it's the little things that are in some way more irritating to me.

Just got out of the dentist. It's a small practise and I guess the receptionist is off sick as the reception desk still had shutters down, so they were a little bit late opening up. One woman was sitting in waiting room when I arrived. A man came in a little after me.

The dentist came out and opened up the desk.

Guess who quickly jumped up and got there to be dealt with first?

You don't have to search, do you? I am ocassionally here.
Lets leave it here, shall we? Nothing gained, and share the

'In fact larry's pram thing is also about women and children not taking up any more than their allotted space (whatever that may be - less than a man obviously) no matter if they need it.'

The pram is used to transport children too young to walk. When you arrive at your destination, assuming said baby is awake, you take it out of the buggy and sit he/she on your knee or beside you, depending on age. The buggy then gets parked out of the way, unselfishly.

And, yes, it is mainly women I see condescending to waiters as they try to squeeze between buggy equivalent of SUVs where little Petronella is not actually being got out and stimulated but parked with a dummy in her mouth. And it is not as if they are spending a fortune either as the 'social x rays' or 'boys with breasts' don't actually want to eat, or very little indeed....(I do realise that that is a little bit of a caricature, by the way..).

My point is not actually that women act in a more entitled way than women, which I don't actually believe, it is that both men and women can act in unpleasant and entitled ways in the UK today, and certainly in the demographic in which I live. If one did a survey, I suspect sex would not even register as a correlation.

And, also, in late response to a question above, we were talked into buying a Bugaboo when we knew nothing about the realities of babies and children. We ended up using a cheap second hand McLaren far more in the end, as it took up less room and was less fiddly.

"And it is not as if they are spending a fortune either as the 'social x rays' or 'boys with breasts' don't actually want to eat, or very little indeed...."

Christ, Larry. That's truly horrible. I won't be responding to any more of your posts.

I'm surprised by Pan's attitude on this thread. I'm mainly off FWR these days, and appear to have missed his masculinist (?) development. Pan used to get it quite often - I mostly enjoyed his questions & contributions. He's been acting pretty much like a patronising twat today, though :(

ABland and Buffy,

They are quotes, actually. Never mind...sense of humour (or knowledge of modern literature outside the feminist cannon) should not have been expected.

But I'm rarely surprised by Larry's opinions

You appear Buffy really keen to throw a blanket over what had actually been posted. I've never indicated a need/desire to reduce women's reported experiences of male entitlement - I wouldn't do it, not here nor in RL. But it's a seam you wish to consistently try to mine.
And I don;t mind advising you or Puffins to get a grip when the slight obs I had made were characterised as 'brute misogyny'. Only in a v small bubble of experience would that be sustained.
So yes, dragging those women who have suffered rape, and RS, into what passes as your 'argument' ( and grind about me) was remarkably cheap by you. But..unfortunately.not surprising.

Both boys with breasts and social x rays are fucking horrible ways to describe people. As is the assumption that women are only capable if reading one type of literature. Slightly lessens the impact of the put down really. Not surprising though, given who it came from.

But it's always good to see the misogyny keeps oozing in. Proves the point of the thread.

Puffins,

So all women have to be described in wonderful terms? Should the lampoonery of the men have remained in the books concerned and the lampoonery of the women have been censored?

It might surprise you that many women actually enjoyed the books concerned (Two of Tom Woolfe's)

Wolfe was not exactly being empathetic of the women he described, was he? Borrowing an author's misogynistic quote doesn't make it witty or acceptable, it just makes for misogynistic plagiarism.
Half a point for not complaining about the space taken up by the social x-rays' puffy dresses, which might perhaps hamper their male companions' power displays by a few inches. In Beckham photos, David often loses half a leg behind his wife's dress. The poor love.

Larry, you say that buggies are where disinterested mothers park their babies while they discuss accessories.

Where do disinterested fathers park their babies? Usually with the mothers! So disinterested fathers can discuss whatever they like, wherever they like. That'll be why you never see male-dominated spaces taken up with buggies or groups of men with buggies behaving like arseholes. Because you don't see them full stop.

Bloody hell, Buffy - adopt the victim position all you like otherwise, but don;t sound so plaintive as you do it here. It doesn't wash.

Larry,

Despite knowing you are being disingenuous, because you are incapable of not being, I'll bite. No, women don't have to be described in glowing terms at all times, however, you say you're intelligent, so you are surely aware that those terms are really nasty, and are meant to be so. You chose them, by your own admission for their nastiness. Did you really expect not to be called out on that?

Sorry, but your air of hurt, wide eyed innocence doesn't wash with those of us who have to put up with your mindset before.

Lampoonery is one thing, misogyny another. And I was well aware where the quotes came from, so no need to be quite so bloody patronising.

Nice mansplain though, definitely one of your better efforts.

Only in a v small bubble of experience would that be sustained.

Pan, this forum is a v. small bubble of experience. It's a tiny area of life, in which women are free to write honestly about their experience of everyday sexism without having to temper their words to suit the prickly male ego.

So that criticism isn't a criticism; it's a fairly tragic comment on reality.

Noble,

Because, on the whole, they are at work at these times. As I suspect you are (and me, now). The pretence on this board that no-one has ever seen what I am describing is earth shattering.

'Wolfe was not exactly being empathetic of the women he described, was he? Borrowing an author's misogynistic quote doesn't make it witty or acceptable, it just makes for misogynistic plagiarism.'

Wolfe is a humourist and caricaturist. There is empathy but it comes out over the novel, not the one line phrases. It is not misogynistic to describe a certain group of women in negative terms, any more than it is misandrist to use the phrase 'pimp roll' as to how a particular type of arrogant man walks. Plagiarism? Please try harder. If you put a quote in quotation marks and cite the author, that is merely called quoting.