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Just got on a train...

282 replies

Vivacia · 15/09/2014 14:44

...sat actions from a table of four men discussing paying for sex. I couldn't believe my ears at first, wasn't really listening and then it became clear.
Finished with, "the only time I paid for It is the day I got married".

OP posts:
Whiskwarrior · 15/09/2014 21:33

Would someone please post that 'a man has arrived' meme now please?

It's never been more appropriate!

SevenZarkSeven · 15/09/2014 21:35

Petula.

Yes he does Confused

Which is why his opinions aren't worth the paper they're written on really. Anyone who is that oblivious to the norms of social intercourse and casual rules surrounding social interaction, clearly doesn't understand "normal" society and as such is not in a position to comment on things related to that.

buwegevove · 15/09/2014 21:37

www.veganpeace.com/animal_facts/Pigs.htm

Why do people always mention poor little piggies when they want to throw abuse around?

Pigs are clean, very intelligent, rarely aggressive and sociable.

Whiskwarrior · 15/09/2014 21:38

Has someone seriously registered on a parenting website purely to defend buying sex on a feminist board?

The mind truly boggles...

PetulaGordino · 15/09/2014 21:39

whiskwarrior men will go a long way to defend their right of access to women's bodies

CaptChaos · 15/09/2014 21:39

Buw, I realise you have a need to ensure you have a supply of women you can rape for money, but really, do pipe down.

However, if you can find someone to explain difficult concepts for you.....

Consent, informed consent, consent which means anything cannot be bought. If you have paid someone to allow you to have sex on them, you have not had true consent. You are a rapist. And you're on a public forum telling everyone about it. Nice.

SevenZarkSeven · 15/09/2014 21:40

There's nothing puts a woman in her place better than this type of conversation.

Workplaces are no longer supposed to allow this type of "banter" (by law) or put up porn pics etc. Because it "creates a hostile working environment" for them. But we have here an argument that what women should not have to put up with at work they must put up with on public transport?

Someone will be along in a minute to say "well if you don't like it don't get the fucking train then" - just you wait.

Thistledew · 15/09/2014 21:41

It struck me the other day that one of the biggest, most glaring examples of male privilege is the way that men can expect to use the sort of sexist, demeaning, degrading language and imagery that you would expect from someone who was a real sociopath with violent intent towards women, but at the same time be treated as 'one of the good guys really'.

I say, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. If the men who want to be treated as one of the good guys can't be bothered to differentiate themselves from the sleazy scumbags who hate women, then women shouldn't be bothered to draw that distinction either.

The ability to get away with misogyny is the biggest male privilege.

CaptChaos · 15/09/2014 21:41

Whisk, sadly, it happens more often than you'd think. They have a script as well. And are dull.

SevenZarkSeven · 15/09/2014 21:43

I wonder how a certain poster would feel if he was sitting on a train next to a group of blokes twice his size who were talking in a detailed and demeaning way about paying for sex from people who look like him. And one of them looking at him while this conversation was going on.

He would feel uncomfortable as fuck, is how he would feel.

He will come along now and so Nope it wouldn't bother me at all. Yeah right.

buwegevove · 15/09/2014 21:46

"Unless you have sources based on proper research?"

re whether sexworkers have been trafficked here are a couple links on operations done UK-wide and in Amsterdam to find traffickes and victims of trafficking.

www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails

UK-wide operation involving all UK police forces who spent 6 months raiding suspeced brothels/private homes etc unannounced. They were able to arrest some women for cannabis posession, but if the aim was to find perps/victims of trafficking it was a complete failure. Some police forces found noone to arrest and were so embarrassed they dishonestly made up some arrest numbers.

maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/dutch-threat/

Feminists were claiming (with zero evidence) 90% of sexworkers in Amsterdam were trafficked. So the cops launch a huge raid and despite detaining and interrogating 157 women they found 0 victims of trafficking.

CaptChaos · 15/09/2014 21:48

OP pentameter: check

buwegevove · 15/09/2014 21:52

"UK-wide operation involving all UK police forces who spent 6 months raiding suspeced brothels/private homes etc unannounced "

You think the results of this aren't important? IMO the results from such a huge operation are far more important than the junk science biased agenda based research done by Farley etc

SevenZarkSeven · 15/09/2014 21:52

lol

Massive fail on answering any questions

Massive fail on empathy (well that's a given isn't it!)

Massive fail on responding to reasonable points about sociopathy Grin

Massive attempt to sidetrack conversation into areas he can cut n paste his arguments even though they are totally unrelated to the OP = check

buwegevove · 15/09/2014 21:53

Same in Amsteram. not a single victim of trafficking found in the operation.

Not one.

buwegevove · 15/09/2014 21:54

Thistledew asked if I had any sources.

SevenZarkSeven · 15/09/2014 21:54

There are stories in the news every week of women and especially girls being rescued from sexual exploitation you twat

Read the news why don't you?

Or are you too busy chatting about blow-jobs in a loud voice on the tube.

Honestly it's so dull.

SevenZarkSeven · 15/09/2014 21:55

Oooh look at the cut n paste arguments!

More please this is all new and interesting stuff.

Thistledew · 15/09/2014 21:56

"if the aim was to find perps/victims of trafficking it was a complete failure".

They weren't looking for victims, they were looking for traffickers.

There has been slow progress off the back of the ratification of the Council of Europe Convention on Action against Trafficking, but there has been some improvements in terms of how trafficking is defined.

Will you post any more illuminating links as to other forms of control and removal of choice, or is physical control and imprisonment the only one you consider relevant?

PetulaGordino · 15/09/2014 21:57

is there a punterpost generator somewhere on the interweb?

buwegevove · 15/09/2014 21:57

"There are stories in the news every week of women and especially girls being rescued from sexual exploitation"

By rescued do you mean having cops bust into their brothel and then detain the workers against their will? That's what happens in countries who rely on funding from the US, they have to look like they are fighting human trafficking so they just arrest random workers and call it a "rescue".

SevenZarkSeven · 15/09/2014 21:57

You do realise that, given that you are a person who seriously thinks that it is perfectly reasonable for groups of men to travel around on public transport talking about fucking, while eyeing females in the general vicinity, your arguments are kind of negated, right?

Even if anyone was interested in reading them, which they aren't.

PetulaGordino · 15/09/2014 21:58

i have never heard men in amsterdam talking about Prostitutes They Have Known on public transport

SevenZarkSeven · 15/09/2014 21:58

No I don't mean that at all buw. I'm not an american. What on earth are you talking about.

Read the fucking news why don't you. The UK news.

buwegevove · 15/09/2014 21:59

(The source for my last post is somewhere on Laura Agustin's website.)