"Women against feminism" WTF?!!

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Really. Just heard about this as a "thing". Honestly, like there aren't enough important issues out there some women feel their biggest battle is AGAINST feminism. Lets just shoot ourselves in the foot then. Gaaaah!!! Had to get that off my chest

Gird: to surround; encircle.

I am being perfectly serious. Feminists simply care about financial equality and then only for themselves. The lower working classes are in the exact same boat they were in a hundred years ago. If anything has changed in their fortunes it had nothing to do with feminism.

"Feminists simply care about financial equality and then only for themselves."

Would you care to back that up with anything?

Oh, and the expression "girding your loins" means to prepare yourself for a challenge.

Well, I meant to encircle the rapist's loins like lionesses ready to rip his balls off.

Why does every opinion that is not yours have to be a wind up? Tell me what feminists have done for the sink estate 16 year-old mum of two and I will retract my statement. And please don't witter on about how she at least now has the super duper opportunity to go out and get herself a top-class education because she bloody well can't.

"Sigh> Why does every opinion that is not yours have to be a wind up? Tell me what feminists have done for the sink estate 16 year-old mum of two and I will retract my statement."

Well, for a start, there was education, contraception and abortion available to her. It's crap that she didn't avail herself of it, but it was there. The man who raped her, should she have reported him, might have gone to prison, and she is less likely to be held responsible for her rape. Not much, you might say, but better than it would have been 50 years ago.

A decent education is not available to her because there is still this little thing called 'class inequality' and 'socio-economic deprivation' which means unless she is middle class with affluent parents she is only ever going to be 'educated' at a sink estate school where the teachers don't give a shit about her future prospects because they, too, are middle class and care only about themselves. Again, please tell me how feminism has helped this young woman. Oh, and she hasn't been raped. Not everyone has, you see.

She has been raped at least once. You said she was a 16 year old mother of 2.

greedy, what about feminists who're not middle class?

I agree feminism has big class issues, btw.

Hakluyt, she is a mother of twins and she is sixteen years and ten months.

LRD, I doubt there is any such thing. I don't believe there is a working class any more, you see - only an underclass.

Right then.

Seeing as I don't believe there's an 'underclass' and don't spend my time being shitty about people who're not middle class, we'll have to agree to disagree.

There are big class issues in feminism- as there are in society. I notice you sidestep the points about contraception and abortion. And you dismiss the point about rape with a flip comment.

I won't take on your outrageous comments about schools and teachers- they are for another thread.

Ah yes, the underclass deniers. Because it would be preposterous to suggest that there are whole swathes of the population subsisting at a socio-economic level beneath anything you've ever encountered.

Did I say that?

Why, no.

I objected to you referring to human beings as 'the underclass,' because it's perjorative and shitty.

Ok?

Plenty of feminists are and have been part of the group you're being so rude about, you know.

Because it would be preposterous to suggest that there are whole swathes of the population subsisting at a socio-economic level beneath anything you've ever encountered.

Not really greedy, been there, done that. Am still a feminist.

What I would ask is, where is the father? Still there? Working? Is she in the UK? Did she have access to free contraception advice? Free abortion advice?

Your comments about schools and teachers were vile, btw, and don't bear any relation to any teacher I know, especially those who work in what you delightfully called sink estate schools. Sadly, no matter how many educational opportunities you offer some people, if they won't take them, you can't force them to.

Well, I am middle class and come from a long line of middle class people. One of the advantages of being middle class is that you have the time and the energy and the spare emotion and sometimes money to campaign on other people's behalf.

Well, I am middle class and come from a long line of middle class people. One of the advantages of being middle class is that you have the time and the energy and the spare emotion and sometimes money to campaign on other people's behalf.

I actually feel ill.

'Underclass' and 'sink estate' are to be found in academic papers in every university library if you would care to read them.

Oh, and women/girls from the underclass tend not to abort their children.

Wow! Now who is making sweeping generalisations. Ones that aren't actually true either. Women on sink estates often don't access free contraceptive advice though, although, I'll clue you in here, it's not because those women choose not to, or because it's not there.... can you guess why they might not?????

Just because a phrase is in academic papers, doesn't make it pleasant, palatable or reasonable. There are many academic papers, from not a long time ago which would have merrily called my DS an imbecile.

Anyway, quite what your ranting has to do with women against feminism I don't know. Or are you suggesting that, because you don't like the type of woman you believe most feminists to be, you're against it?

What I want to see is more campaigns focused towards women who really need our help. Not concentrating on western women whining about being cat called in the street.

capt, I read a horrible paper published in 2014 that happily used the word 'moron'.

I'm really sick of this 'ooh, feminists whine and should be doing real help of women who need it'.

It always seems to come from people who don't propose to life a finger, but somehow feel they are uniquely qualified to decide that what feminists are already doing isn't enough. Cos obviously, if you are that sort of bone idle person, you can't conceive of people who could care both about poor women in the UK, and about women in other parts of the world, and about issues like the pay gap. That would be excessive, right? Almost as if you were somehow committed to, y'know, some kind of overarching movement to help women ...

So you think women being intimidated by men isn't an issue we should worry about Morphine?

It's all part of the continuum of male violence. That is a major focus of feminism.