Newnight report on brothels

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Worth £16 billion in Germany. Legal to "make it safer".

Interview with 22 yr old Hannah. 6 men per night, earns 100 to 1000 euros per night,

Talking about should it be illegal in the UK and the fact that brothels are safer than the streets. They have super brothels in Germany.

Have you heard of the SAAFE (Support and Advice for Escorts) website migsy? It's run by workers for workers and has a forum.

www.saafe.info/

He doesn't scare you, or actually beat you up. But he does go on about getting you back to work 2 weeks after a c-section? That's horrific, migsy.

He's not your friend - friends don't treat friends like that.

Women's Aid might give you a better understanding of the emotional and financial abuse that's going on. They also have good access to excellent refuges where you will be able to put your life back together safely.

A group run by escorts will have normalised this kind of behaviour and won't be seeing it for quite what it is. Unless of course they are all ex-escorts.

migsy he doesn't scare you at the moment because you are doing everything he wants you to do. The same with the men who pay you. If you were to tell him that you want to get a normal job and pay him back over time, how do you think he would react?

He gets intimate with you as part of his grooming, to make you think he cares about you.

migsy you are not an example of an independent woman acting without coercion. You are being pimped to many men for the profit of one man.

One of the reason why losers can promote the idea that there are few women who are coerced in prostitution is because they close their eyes to the reality of coercion. Nothing short of being chained to a bed would amount to forced prostitution for bastards like that.

I don't like the name pimp though, it brings up so many negative things. I don't think he is profiting from me working, he sorts out all the stuff like ad's and has given me a phone, helped me get my own place with my lil one, lent me money, he has helped me so much when no one else was around.

He suggested this job and I said I'd try it, it wasn't like I was forced into it, but I feel like I owe him so much, which is why I cant stop working till I have paid him back what I owe him. I don't usually talk about all this because it does sound bad written down but I just feel like im just repaying what I've had off him.

Women's Aid will help you a lot more Migsy.

Yes I will talk to them thanks for the advice. I'm just so tired now. And it all starts again tomorrow. (sorry just feeling sorry for myself tonight, I need to man up!)

I think we're all feeling sorry for you Migsy, you deserve a lot of support and I'm sure you will get it. Take time off, stay in a cheap hotel or something for a while if you start feeling trapped.

Migsy did your 'friend' 'help' you out with all these things before he suggested that you could try and pay him back through prostitution? How much does he charge you for 'sorting stuff out'? Is the capital sum you borrowed from him going down? Does he let you know how much you still owe him?

Sorry for all the questions, it's just that what he has done is such typical grooming behaviour, it's exactly how pimps get women like you into prostitution. And keep them there.

If you all want migsy out of prostitution are you gonna offer her a replacement job? Or pay off her debts?

It's interesting to note Fil, that you're desperate for her to stay in prostitution. What's your vested interest in this? Are you her pimp? Or just some other person's pimp?

Hi fixiler

Is your job tomorrow having sex with 6-10 men?

Maybe Fil is a gentleman who only desires to help out women in dire straights. In exchange for a fuck of course.

Well quite, Capt. I don't understand your post at all filxiler.

Migsy has said she wants to be out of prostitution. There is support available for her to do that. She always wanted to be a nurse and she can still pursue that.

Her debts are to her pimp - so imo he can GTF.

Migsy did your 'friend' 'help' you out with all these things before he suggested that you could try and pay him back through prostitution? How much does he charge you for 'sorting stuff out'? Is the capital sum you borrowed from him going down? Does he let you know how much you still owe him?

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Yes he helped me with money when I literally had nothing, I left home and I lived with him for a bit, he paid for my food, clothes etc and got me back on my feet. He suggested this as a way to pay my debts and to earn extra cash. When I started I was just a teen and it was just the odd bloke, now it's a lot and I'd never admit this to anyone pro-prostitution but I can't deal with the amount of men anymore. When I'm out and about I can't even look men in the eye. It does start to chip away at you, I feel shitty about it because it was all my own doing.

I don't know how much I owe him back now. He takes 40% from me for admin stuff and the phone he gave me, then I have to pay for the room and transport for when he takes me to the parties. So tbh I'm not left with 'extra' cash, but it's enough to pay my bills, and buy food, clothes for me and my baby so I can't moan.

It's been a tough day today and thinking about it like this is probably not going to do me any favours, like I said I don't like to analyse what I do.

migsy this man is disgusting. He is nothing but your pimp. There is no admin, just exploitation. He is living off the avails which is a crime. The debt you owe him is not genuine and not enforceable.

Don't blame yourself for this. People who are victims of fraud or deception usually blame themselves and often do not seek help because they feel it is their own fault. It isn't. He set out to entrap you, he knows what he was doing. But you are not alone and you need help.

Jesus migsy that's horrendous. Please do contact Women's Aid

Have you asked migsy if she wants the Nordic model in place?

And like I said above exit programs can exist alongside decriminalization or regulation.

Are you even reading Migsy's posts fil ?? She is under the control of a pimp who takes 40% of her earnings (conveniently ensuring she never manages to pay off her "debt" to him) and pressured her to get back to being used by 6-10 men a night TWO WEEKS after having a C-Section.

What is wrong with you???

Oh migsy.

I don't think I have ever seen a more open and shut case of a pimp preying on a vulnerable young girl and grooming her into believing it prostitution was 'her choice'.

What the fuck is wrong with you fil? Oh yes, that's right, you endorse the sexual exploitation of vulnerable women and girls.

This is why the sanctimonious "I listen to sex workers" is such bullshit. No examination of the nature of genuine consent, no humanity. No consideration of a teenage girl gang raped then groomed into prostitution by an exploitative pimp and trapped there by fake debt and so-called help. Fil, you're doing a fine job of demonstrating the bogus nature of consent and the fucking disgusting viewpoint of lowlife "I listen to sex workers" pimp lobbyists. I wouldn't be surprised if you've created a few abolitionists with your posts here.

Migsy

Dear Migsy: no genuine friend/mate would ever ever ever suggest taking up prostitution to pay off money you owe him.