Can I ask you for some links about porn please?

[EhricLovesTeamQhuay]

Specifically accounts of ex porn actors talking about abuse/coercion in porn films, and anything academic about the effects of porn on male sexuality and sexual attitudes?

I've read bits, but I'm already convinced. This is for a friend whose new boyfriend doesn't get it and she feels like she doesn't have the evidence to show him.
Thanks

paper "flora - you dont have porn on cbeebies for the same reason you don't have mickey mouse on the porn channel. none would purchase it."

wrong wrong wrong, but nice to see your free-market thinking coming through.

There is no porn on cbeebies because it is illegal. There is no mickey mouse on the porn channel because Disney rigorously protects its brand and permits no association between Disney products and porn or adult content of any sort.

The reason porn on CBeebies is illegal and Disney protects its brand in this way is because porn is harmful and particularly harmful to young people.

sorry buying woman. incidentally I have never even mentioned that

flora- probably right.

why so coy paperlantern?

you consume it by watching it.

sinister - been through this loop reread the thread. I said yesterday When you can tell me why it's relevant or why you have assumed I'm one gender over the other I'll answer the question. none did so I didn't.

the whole question is unnecessary. I have never felt the need to ask your gender to discuss your opinion with you

btw Since when is coy a bad thing?

Yeah ok lantern

which bit?

Paper - I said yesterday why it made a difference whether you were a woman or man. You ignored me and still wouldn't answer the question you had promised to answer.

You have said your partner is a man. But not whether you are a woman or a man

cut to the chase I think to ban something you have to have pretty heavyweight evidence.

So far no one has pointed me to evidence in terms of

1. the allegded popularity of hard core porn.
2. that leads directly to increased pressure on woman to engage in sex acts that they are uncomfortable with, or indeed what these acts that women as a uniform body don't enjoy

what none disputes is that the production of porn can be exploitative. But this is an argument regarding the production of porn not to the inherent evils of consumption.

the evils of porn itself as portrayed on this thread appear to be down to opinion.

I have my own opinions, I recognise they are just this. (FWIW they don't actually fall straight anti-porn or indeed pro porn).

Is confusion of fact and opinion Say they are opinion they are my opinion and I have a right to hold them, that I can whole heartedly accept. but they are not fact.

eg YOU do not KNOW I am a man or woman, it is your opinion I am a man. (Although if you actually read my post I have said, albeit not explicitly)

Because men rarely understand the socialisation girls and women are subject to in not setting or ignoring boundaries. That is why I wanted to know if you are a man.

In my opinion bad reason to ask my gender because that argument works equally in reverse.

Do women truly understand the socialisation boys and men are subject to in not setting or ignoring boundaries, simply because they are women?

In which case if your arguing that the socialisation of boys and men into sex through porn should not be discussed by women as women cannot possibily understand it.

"why you consume porn"

assumption stated as fact. I already said I do not consume porn what I think you would think of as porn.

However I have watched "mainstream" films that contain depictions of sex, herein I think some definitions are very difficult

What I am is very interested in the argument against and yes also for porn. New really to feminism so I am interested in learning. I learn by asking questions. My problem is that I can't see feminism advancing its own cause by getting tied up confusing fact with opinion. None should be afraid of discussion and I'm not sure how it is a good thing if a section of the population only welcome those who hold the same opinion

I do believe porn can harm relationships, you only have to look at the porn related threads in relationships to see that. But the threads are not surrounding the pushing of relationship bounderies, they are about lack of connection on every level. maybe this is due to porn or maybe the porn is as a result of things not being right either way the porn does not help.

PS As a general point I believe troll hunting, or posting on another thread about someone are pretty unpleasant. If someone has something to say say it to my face where I can defend myself. anything else is cowardice.

As much of a concern to feminism should be the things woman do to each other. Including gossiping behind their back

Greenie said it

maybe not "I do not want any porn" not sure want exactly this means

I do not want porn so I do not have it

OK that's opinion which absolutely should affect your right to consume it. But should it affect anyone elses?

Are you addressing me paper?

Greenie I made an assumption about what you had said, I checked back and I was wrong I corrected it

Sorry I feel totally devastated. I just read that thread from beginning to end. It doesn't name me specifically but it's pretty horrific.

A safe place for women to express an opinion you've got to be fucking kidding me. that's disgusting, I had no idea because genuinely I was finding the debate on this thread interesting. I posted at night last night because I have kids during the day.

that's the kind of hypocrisy that gives feminism a bad name. I've reported, but because Mumsnet apparently only moderate at night the attacks on whoever the poor sole was will probably remain

What thread paper? I haven't seen any thread about you?