Sex: My British Job. Channel 4

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Anybody see this? It was just horrific. I really, really hope it reached the right audience: punters and their defenders. I doubt it, but I hope so

Flora
Not so I know of convenience surveys (such as farley's) where she surveys the most disadvantaged any generalises to all but the best shots at close to random surveys using purposive samples reach a different conclusion namely that those relatively content with their lot are not "as rare as hens teeth" but are a large proportion if not a majority of prostitutes- even if the street workers are not removed from the sample. And it's not because they support my views it's that they are a pretty close approximation to the truth, I know you find it unpalatable because it does not fit the radfem stereotype but tough- change your stereotype

a large proportion who are happy

Don't you see what you are saying?

And don't be annoying going on about stereotypes. You think this is all abstract to many of the posters on here. Not so. There are real people being hurt, and you are hiding them all with your tedious c&ping.

a large proportion if not a majority of prostitutes- even if the street workers are not removed from the sample

You cannot be serious? Even your own surveys don't prove this.

I know you find it unpalatable because it does not fit the radfem stereotype but tough- change your stereotype

Please tell me why you think we don't support prostitution, then? If it is proved beyond doubt that all prostitutes are safe and happy, I still wouldn't support prostitution...why do you think this is?

Lala
Because your objection is political-you believe that there can be no true equality while prostitution exists, that it is an example of male entitlement. Some of you think prostiution is" violence against women" and that the Prost prosTitution of one woman magically affects all, that all men are violent misogynists that all men are rapists.....mix and match which apply. You are entitled to your opinions what you are not entitled to do is play fast and loose with the facts or try to impose your views on others

Answer my post in your own words if you would.

that all men are violent misogynists that all men are rapists

Wow. that's some accusation - I've not read anything like that here. I do not think that all men are anything, wino.

However, I do think that punters would have to be misogynistic to use women like that - presumably they try to buy into the happy hooker myth to assuage that a bit?

I don't see how you can disagree that prostitution is NOT a manifestation of male entitlement.

You can argue whether there is anything wrong/misogynistic/whatever but not that it exists in this context.

I don't think anyone can say that all prostitutes happy or sad, forced or willing, or are indifferent. I think the gender specific nature of it comes down to demand. I think if the demand was there for straight male pros there would be (willingly and unwillingly).
Does anyone think that legalising it and regulating it would be a positive step?

wino does.

I'd think that legalisation is the best way forward. To try and regulate it. I don't see any other way of dealing with it

Of course it comes down to demand.

And I believe that that legalising and regulating it will strengthen demand. It normalises it. We know how powerful a force normalisation is - we can see that in the regulations regarding the advertising and portrayal of things like smoking.
Wherever that approach has been tried trafficking, illegal and exploitative parallel trades spring up alongside. It seems to increase the problem.

What would you think of the Nordic model ie focussing on reducing demand by criminalising the punters?

Not true sal, most recently with weed in certain states of America. No significant increase. Plus all increase goes through doctors.

Ok assume you are correct. What is your plan? How would you improve the situation?

I'm talking about prostitution, not weed

What would you say about the Nordic model?

They are criminalised now. How is the Nordic model set up in terms of criminalisation?

Sal, sorry, you also talked about smoking and normalisation. Weed was just an example.

bale - Nordic model.

wino I said on the other thread in response to your first interjection that I consider all surveys relating to prostitution inherently problematic if they try to represent the views or experiences of women in the sex industry. This is due to:

• the difficulty in obtaining a representative sample (which your studies did not adequately address) and in particular obtaining the views of exited women
• the formulation of the questions
• the fact that surveys (including your favourites) take a patchwork approach of looking at only a limited set of factors rather than a comprehensive look at impaired agency
• cognitive dissonance (e.g. the women in one of your studies who said they were in prostitution because they loved their abusive pimps and were therefore considered "not coerced")

What field of science do you supposedly work in? You seem to think the women in these surveys are simply fuck units data points to be plotted on a chart. You seem to have no understanding of sociological research and have ignored Beach's kind attempts to explain these to you.

Google it, bale.

Model. Sorry lol

I've not heard of the Norwegian way of criminalising punters. How does it stand out against other practises

Plenty of information to be had on the internet.

Google it and see what you think.

there's not much point in plumping for regulation as a response when you re not aware of the other possibilities.

Flora - I didn't bring it up. I was asked about it. I'm happy to have a look, do you have a link?

Sal - alternative approaches are forms of regulation. Do you have a link?

google it bale - rather than making this thread all about your lack of knowledge.