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Charles Saatchi. Oscar Pistorius, Roman Polanski, John Leslie, Mel Gibson, Charlie Sheen, J Simpson, Jimmy Savile, Chris Brown, Paul Gasgoigne,

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Greythorne · 18/06/2013 00:52

You know the way whenever we discuss DV, the menz crawl out and start the 'women commit DC just as much as men' routine?

Well, can anyone give me a list of high profile / world famous / Olympian women who have been photographed or found guilty or admitted to DV or sexual abuse?

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ChaosTrulyReigns · 18/06/2013 00:55

Certainly not one as long as that one.

Struggling to think of one at all, tbh.

ChaosTrulyReigns · 18/06/2013 00:57

BOF · 18/06/2013 01:06

Apart from Lorena Bobbit (who wasn't famous prior to the incident), I can't think of any high profile women. Oh, maybe Stephen Hawking's wife leaving him at the bottom of the garden to get sunburnt? Again, she wasn't really famous though.

ChaosTrulyReigns · 18/06/2013 01:11

Would Naomi Campbell count?

I know she doesn't strictly fit into your criteria.

And, tbh, we alk know your question is purely rhetoric.

Everyone knows the answer.

MaggieMaggieMaggieMcGill · 18/06/2013 01:15

That would be, ummmmmmm, nope, no names are coming to mind.

ecclesvet · 18/06/2013 01:26

Cheryl Cole, I think.

zippey · 18/06/2013 01:58

A competition to see which gender is more violent? Not sure what OP's point is? Men are generally the more violent gender, this is well known. Women also have this capacity but there are far fewer cases of physical domestic violence. I'm sure it does happen though and the incidences will be significant and unpleasant fir those caught up in it. I don't think DV is ever justified, wether it is caused by a man or a woman.

BOF · 18/06/2013 02:11

After a suggestion on another thread, I've started a tweet- do C&P and join in if you're on twitter...

So Charles Saatchi has accepted a caution. He should make a sizeable donation to Women's Aid. #nigella #donateWA Pls RT

zippey · 18/06/2013 02:16

You can't seriously argue that there are far fewer cases where women commit DV or abuse, but we shouldn't hide from the fact that it does happen. It's never right whichever gender or race does the abusing.

Not sure if all those people in the list have been convicted, your best not jumping the gun.

zippey · 18/06/2013 02:18

Blah blooming phone and Internet connection!

IsThisAGoodIdea · 18/06/2013 02:31

Does it only count if the abusers are celebrities OP? I have no idea what your point is. Of course it is more often men. Do you think you are telling us something new?

Just because women are less frequently violent does not exhonerate those that are.

Btw, your thread title is libellous. Sme of those men have not been photographed/found guilty of/admitted to anything of the sort.

Lovecat · 18/06/2013 02:45

The thing is, whenever anyone tries to say men are more violent than women, a whole load of people rock up and say 'oh! oh! but women do it too!' like this lets MEN off the hook. No-one is saying that women aren't violent, but equally why should this stop us from examining why men are far more violent, far more frequently?

I think the OP's point is a good one - if famous men commit violence against women (and of that list it is only John Leslie afaik who didn't admit/wasn't found guilty of anything) because of some sense of infallibility, entitlement, relying on their fame to cushion them/no-one wanting to come forward and speak against them, whatever, then surely we should see famous women in the news for this sort of thing too, committing violence thinking their fame will let them off/ameliorate the crime? The fact that we're struggling to name famous women (off the top of my head I can only think of Joan Crawford (Mommie Dearest), who allegedly violently abused her children and to a large extent got away with it at the time because of her fame) speaks volumes to me.

IsThisAGoodIdea · 18/06/2013 02:50

Lovecat, Oscar Pistorious is awaiting trial. That's why the thread title is libellous.

BeyonceCastle · 18/06/2013 04:33

Agreed. OP awaiting trial and John Leslie never went to court. You could replace these with Stan Collymore, Denis Waterman, Justin Lee Collins and Stuart Hall though.

Rebekah Wade was arrested for alleged domestic assault BUT crucially she was later released without charge and the police took no further action -the alleged assault was on her husband Ross Kemp.

BeyonceCastle · 18/06/2013 04:43

Lauren Socha (Kelly in misfits) was accused of punching and racially abusing a cab driver - pleaded guilty to racially aggravated assault.

BeyonceCastle · 18/06/2013 04:52

In 1991, Winnie Mandela was convicted of kidnapping and being an accessory to assault in connection with the death of James Seipei.

The last two examples are not dv but show high profile women also have propensity to be violent - it may go on behind closed doors, it may go unreported but husbands can also be victims of dv - this may be reported less given the stereotype of the male not being seen to be 'weak' Sad

BeyonceCastle · 18/06/2013 04:58

In March 2000, Former Olympic figure skater Tonya Harding pleaded not guilty to charges that she hit her boyfriend, Darren Silver, in the face with a hubcap and her fists. Harding faced up to a year in prison and a $5,000 fine. Harding told officers that she hit Silver in an effort to protect herself, but police say witnesses didn't support her statement.

BeyonceCastle · 18/06/2013 05:12

Television producer Ryan Haddon, wife of actor Christian Slater, was arrested for domestic violence. Haddon reportedly threw a glass at Slater, cutting him in the head. He needed 24 stitches.

LoveBeingUpAt4InTheMorning · 18/06/2013 05:23

Ozzy Osborne, p diddy, Eminem, mine tyson, boxer 'ya know what I mean Harry' can't believe I can't remember his name, Ike turner, Sean penn, Tommy lee,

Grace jones, Amy whinehouse,

And that was as far as I got, even then the female ones are general rather than domestic violence.

There will be some, it's statistically impossible for there not be, just as there will be more men who do it and far more victims than we will ever know.

As far as if celebrtity status making a difference, I think it's like everything in that world, magnifiedj.

Greythorne · 18/06/2013 07:27

The thing is, whenever anyone tries to say men are more violent than women, a whole load of people rock up and say 'oh! oh! but women do it too!' like this lets MEN off the hook. No-one is saying that women aren't violent, but equally why should this stop us from examining why men are far more violent, far more frequently


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scallopsrgreat · 18/06/2013 07:28

Oscar Pistorius has never denied killing Reeva Steenkamp. That is as violent as you get.

Greythorne · 18/06/2013 07:29

Naomi Campbell and Cheryl Cole have both attacked other women, AFAIK. They are clearly violent but wouldn't sat they have committed DV / sexual abuse.

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Greythorne · 18/06/2013 07:30

I know!
Oscar shot and killed his GF.

Might not be murder but it's about as violent as you can get.

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Greythorne · 18/06/2013 07:34


Whilst your examples are useful reminders that women can be violent criminals, we are discussing DV / sexual abuse of a partner. This is the crime that the menz - especially on this particular board - love to tell us is just as prevalent by women as men.

I don't buy that for one second.

Although I do buy that women such as Nakmi Campbell or Lauren Socha have violent tempers, no self control and a horrific sense of entitlement.

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noblegiraffe · 18/06/2013 07:35

John Lennon is very famous and missing from your list

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