Charles Saatchi. Oscar Pistorius, Roman Polanski, John Leslie, Mel Gibson, Charlie Sheen, J Simpson, Jimmy Savile, Chris Brown, Paul Gasgoigne,

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You know the way whenever we discuss DV, the menz crawl out and start the 'women commit DC just as much as men' routine?

Well, can anyone give me a list of high profile / world famous / Olympian women who have been photographed or found guilty or admitted to DV or sexual abuse?

And why didn't John Leslie sue Mathew Wright he certainly made enough fuss about it until more women came forward then he decided to shut the fuck up how surprising

PromQueen, what rubbish.

I think when you were conducting your research with all the men in the world, you failed to interview any of the men in my life. Because of this oversight, I can conclude with absolute certainty that you have made this up.

Not helpful.

I have no idea what the point of this thread is or what sort of debate the OP was hoping to spark beyond "All men are bastards. Discuss."

Thanks MNHQ for deleting the victim blaming posts by conversation

Btw I believe Ulrika.

Most patronising post of the day!

I agree with promqueen - how many times have I seen boys thumping each other in the playground excused as 'rough play' and 'boys do play rough' etc - on MN and irl. That's part of it - social conditioning.

There was a thread t'other day about a game of tag which turned into 4 boys pulling a girl to the ground and kicking her - there was definitely an air of "but boys will be boys" and "the girl joined in the game and then moaned when she got hurt" in the OP and from other posters on there. I was

Little boys whose rough play violence is allowed and excused all through their childhood grow up into men who think they can be violent.

Some parents buy girls stupid pink dresses and only allow boys to be active. We are a responsibility to bring children up in a more gender neutral way and not to condone violence. My children are at single sex schools but there is no condoned violence at the schools as far as I know.

what promqueen said.

men are conditioned. not all men act on it.

Some parents raise their children gender neutraly they aren't dumb enough to assume that they are the only influence in their child's life. At some point their daughter or son goes to school and is taught that "girls like princesses" "boys are tough" "boys like to rough house." it does not mean your daughter will want to be a princess! but a part of them does know that's "how it should be". you can admit rape culture exists without saying all men are rapist.

I find the casual violence shown in soaps disturbing (and that's by men and women) and on many occasions completely without consequence. I don't watch any soaps now.

I spent years watching Phil and Grant in Eastenders and cringing at the way their 'tough men' characters were glamourised. Ugh.

did anyone else find it amazing that mike Tyson, Mike Tyson the well known convicted domestic violence perpetator and rapist and biter of ears has been welcomed back in to the main stream? When he was on the set of How I met your mother or the hang over did anyone ask the women how they felt standing next to a rapist? if they were ok with it?

Oh god yes- Mike Tyson

Good posts PromQueen.

I think women are more likely to abuse PA's rather than Partners esp. in that buisness DP's are more trophies than people,

In RL women fill the servitude role which is almost equivalent to a PA.

Tbh I always thought the whole Jon Leslie thing was very suspect tbh, as he was outed by someone guessing and instead of confirming either way she just sat back and got out the popcorn I expect,
Just because men doesn't mean every man who get accused is guilty
To be clear that is one of the very few cases where I have thought

Pete, you are barely literate, mate. Sort it out, will ya.

I think women are more likely to abuse PA's rather than Partners esp. in that buisness DP's are more trophies than people,
In RL women fill the servitude role which is almost equivalent to a PA.

I think that Pete is actually trying to make a sincere point here but that it got really muddled up and she might want to come back and better explain it.

*this may be based on a quick cyber stalk of her user name

The only female celebrity who used violence towards a partner that I can think of was a member of TLC (showing my age here). I think it was Lisa 'left eye' Lopez but couldn't swear to it. She was allegedly abusive towards her partner at the time, an American Footballer of some note I believe. When they split up and he was seen out with another woman, Lopez allegedly set fire to his house, burning it to the ground.

It was very much reported at the time as a 'woman scorned' and minimised with the boyfriend being hailed as wonderfully patient for not punching her when she threw things at him in a rage. Even when a woman has apparently commuted DV and so upholds the MRA's 'but women do it toooooo!' POV, it is still reported in such a way that it undermines the MRA stance. She was over emotional, she was a woman scorned, point and laugh at the silly woman who can't control her emotions, she didnt mean it.

OP. I find your post very judgemental....as an advocate of DV and working with police....dv does not discriminate against gender, race, wealth, culture or sexuality...before posting uch nonsense may i suggest you look at facts and figures...how more men are coming forward whether they are in hetero or homosexual and spking up about dv....shame on you
Also dv is not just about physical it goes alot deeper...
Disgusting post

Promqueen go and sit in a meeting with the police and read their figures on dv...i do not belittle womens traumatic experiences as i am a victim myself but very wrong to believe it is only committed against women....more and more men are coming forward with their experiences..reporting to police, pressing charges etc
I dont care what sex is involved no one has a right to abuse another human being either mentally or physically