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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Charles Saatchi. Oscar Pistorius, Roman Polanski, John Leslie, Mel Gibson, Charlie Sheen, J Simpson, Jimmy Savile, Chris Brown, Paul Gasgoigne,

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Greythorne · 18/06/2013 00:52

You know the way whenever we discuss DV, the menz crawl out and start the 'women commit DC just as much as men' routine?

Well, can anyone give me a list of high profile / world famous / Olympian women who have been photographed or found guilty or admitted to DV or sexual abuse?

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scallopsrgreat · 18/06/2013 12:07

Very true noblegiraffe

scallopsrgreat · 18/06/2013 12:10

In fact, in a timely fashion, glosswitch as usual says it way better than me as to why it is important to name the problem.

namechangeguy · 18/06/2013 12:23

Surely DV is just part of a larger problem. Toddle over to Syria, or Afghanistan, or N Ireland. Get in your Tardis and go back to Viet Nam, Korea, 1940's Europe, 1910's Europe, nineteenth century Africa, etc etc etc.

Men using violence to get what they want. Maybe that's the answer. Violence gets you what you want - land, wealth, power. Perhaps men just have not got out of the habit.

Greythorne · 18/06/2013 12:24

namechange

That's a post I can agree with.

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OneMoreChap · 18/06/2013 12:26

I think - as I said when it came out - the concatenation of EA/DA/DV would cause issues.

I think we'll see a rise in reports of DV on men; some reports justified, some tit for tat, some pre-emptive.

I think physical violence is predominantly, though not entirely, M on F; other forms... not so gendered.

In answer to the OP - I think you've been given a list?

scallopsrgreat · 18/06/2013 12:27

It's not a "habit". That is very minimising. It is deliberate.

namechangeguy · 18/06/2013 12:31

I meant 'habit' as in the default action, the go-to option as soon as things get difficult.

Greythorne · 18/06/2013 13:08

I don't disagree with the term habit.

A habit is something you do unthinkingly, regularly, automatically.

I think men are conditioned to think they can commit acts of violence be they DV or other and it becomes a habit / second nature / unconscious.

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IsThisAGoodIdea · 18/06/2013 15:31

I think you mean "SOME MEN are conditioned to think they can perform acts of violence.".

Do you have sons, brothers a husband or a father OP?

Mugofteaforme · 18/06/2013 15:43

I think men are conditioned to think they can commit acts of violence

Thereby lies the problem, Men as a homogenous entity.

I think you mean "SOME MEN are conditioned to think they can perform acts of violence.".

Exactly.

Mugofteaforme · 18/06/2013 15:49

DV is far too complex a system to classify on the basis of Men as a class alone-The Patriachy aren't always pulling the strings.

PromQueenWithin · 18/06/2013 15:52

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FreudiansSlipper · 18/06/2013 16:52

Steve McQueen another great guy to add to the list

greenhill · 18/06/2013 17:11

Kelsey Grammer (Frasier actor) said that his second wife used DV against him. It's taken me all afternoon to think of an example of a famous male Hollywood-style celebrity that has openly spoken about being assaulted by a spouse though.

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ForkInTheForeheid · 18/06/2013 18:33

For conversation1 - not sure where you got the bit about her hitting him with a shoe?
(from mtv.com)

Court documents released Thursday revealed details about the case against Chris Brown, including a police statement that the incident began when Rihanna (real name: Robyn Rihanna Fenty) found a text message on Brown's cell phone from "a woman who Brown had a previous sexual relationship with."

A search warrant used by police to obtain cell-phone records related to the case included the sworn statement by Los Angeles Police Detective DeShon Andrews in which he detailed what allegedly happened in the early morning hours of February 8.

"Brown was driving a vehicle with Robyn F. as the front passenger on an unknown street in Los Angeles. Robyn F. picked up Brown's cellular phone and observed a three-page text message from a woman who Brown had a previous sexual relationship with.

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"A verbal argument ensued and Brown pulled the vehicle over on an unknown street, reached over Robyn F. with his right hand, opened the car door and attempted to force her out. Brown was unable to force Robyn F. out of the vehicle because she was wearing a seat belt. When he could not force her to exit, he took his right hand and shoved her head against he passenger window of the vehicle, causing an approximate one-inch raised circular contusion.

"Robyn F. turned to face Brown and he punched her in the left eye with his right hand. He then drove away in the vehicle and continued to punch her in the face with his right hand while steering the vehicle with his left hand. The assault caused Robyn F.'s mouth to fill with blood and blood to splatter all over her clothing and the interior of the vehicle.

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"Brown looked at Robyn F. and stated, 'I'm going to beat the sh-- out of you when we get home! You wait and see!' "

The detective said "Robyn F." then used her cell phone to call her personal assistant Jennifer Rosales, who did not answer.

"Robyn F. pretended to talk to her and stated, 'I'm on my way home. Make sure the police are there when I get there.'

"After Robyn F. faked the call, Brown looked at her and stated, 'You just did the stupidest thing ever! Now I'm really going to kill you!'

"Brown resumed punching Robyn F. and she interlocked her fingers behind her head and brought her elbows forward to protect her face. She then bent over at the waist, placing her elbows and face near her lap in [an] attempt to protect her face and head from the barrage of punches being levied upon her by Brown.

"Brown continued to punch Robyn F. on her left arm and hand, causing her to suffer a contusion on her left triceps (sic) that was approximately two inches in diameter and numerous contusions on her left hand.

"Robyn F. then attempted to send a text message to her other personal assistant, Melissa Ford. Brown snatched the cellular telephone out of her hand and threw it out of the window onto an unknown street.

"Brown continued driving and Robyn F. observed his cellular telephone sitting in his lap. She picked up the cellular telephone with her left hand and before she could make a call he placed her in a head lock with his right hand and continued to drive the vehicle with his left hand.

"Brown pulled Robyn F. close to him and bit her on her left ear. She was able to feel the vehicle swerving from right to left as Brown sped away. He stopped the vehicle in front of 333 North June Street and Robyn F. turned off the car, removed the key from the ignition and sat on it.

"Brown did not know what she did with the key and began punching her in the face and arms. He then placed her in a head lock positioning the front of her throat between his bicep and forearm. Brown began applying pressure to Robyn F.'s left and right carotid arteries, causing her to be unable to breathe and she began to lose consciousness.

"She reached up with her left hand and began attempting to gouge his eyes in an attempt to free herself. Brown bit her left ring and middle fingers and then released her. While Brown continued to punch her, she turned around and placed her back against the passenger door. She brought her knees to her chest, placed her feet against Brown's body and began pushing him away. Brown continued to punch her on the legs and feet, causing several contusions.

"Robyn F. began screaming for help and Brown exited the vehicle and walked away. A resident in the neighborhood heard Robyn F.'s plea for help and called 911, causing a police response. An investigation was conducted and Robyn F. was issued a Domestic Violence Emergency Protective Order."

At the end of his statement, Andrews said Brown sent a text message nine days later apologizing.

"In the text message, Brown apologized for what he had done to Robyn F. and advised [Rihanna's assistant] Ford that he was going to get help."

conversation1 · 18/06/2013 18:36

poponthepop.com/2009/03/tmz-confirms-what-we-already-told-you-rihanna-hit-chris-brown-first/

Instead of posting the entire page you could have just linked to it to avoid cluttering up the thread.

ExcuseTypos · 18/06/2013 18:37

I don't agree with that statement at all PromQueen.

No men in my immediate family have been brought up to think its ok to use violence.

My DH was brought up in a very male environment on a farm, he grew up with a brother and 3 male cousins. They were never allowed to use violence. I can say the same for my father and own brother and my two nephews. I know this from talking to them and their mothers. I have brought my 2 DC, after learning from my family, that you are never allowed to hit another person.

Not ALL men are conditioned to think they can perform acts of violence.
SOME men are conditioned to think this.

conversation1 · 18/06/2013 18:38

"Btw, your thread title is libellous. Sme of those men have not been photographed/found guilty of/admitted to anything of the sort."

I'm going to repeat this. The OP is libellous and is throwing serious accusations around too freely.

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FreudiansSlipper · 18/06/2013 18:45

Do you have that much faith in our legal system to beleive that only the guilty are found guilty everytime

AnyFucker · 18/06/2013 18:47

coversation1, you are a cute little misogynist aren't you ?

I wonder why you think your comments are welcome here