Please read what I wrote Susan. I wasn't defending the definition of feminism, merely explaining what I meant by the relationship between freedom of oppression and equality - which you questioned. I also explained that it wasn't my definition because for some reason you think it is.
"I think you've just proved my point you just accused men of raping, something the majority of men don't do." Men do rape. It is one of the tools they use to oppress women. I never said all men rape. But it is something that only men do (at least in the UK). Do I really need to explain why they should just stop raping us without any discussion? Perhaps because it is wrong. What is there to discuss about rape, really? Do we need negotiate terms and conditions under which men won't rape us? Anyway, Andrea Dworkin says it much better than me though. Perhaps read some of her works if you really are interested.
I'll repeat. Men need to listen. That is what they primarily need to do within feminism. Telling us what and how things should be done and insisting on being involved in "discussions" isn't on. Asking questions to gain understanding - fine. Dismissing the experiences of women or arguing against those experiences - not so fine. Other really good things they could do is point out sexism and misogyny when they see it. They could also name and analyse men's misogynistic behaviour for what it is. For example Robert Jenson and Lundy Bancroft do this very well. So I think you are right, men need to get involved in feminism much more but probably not in the same ways you think. Tackling other men's behaviour is what they really need to be getting on with.
"Im still incidentally waiting for your explanation of why men cant be feminists" I actually never said they couldn't. That was your extrapolation. However, I believe that men can be feminist supporters (as per Robert Jenson and Lundy Bancroft) but whilst men are oppressing us they can't be feminists per se. However, that isn't why I highlighted that sentence of yours. It was the way you stated it as if it were fact, when it wasn't.
"Im going to ask you one more time to read before I dismiss you as the troll ive already been told by multiple posters you are."; "Ive checked, thats your usual tactic..." OK that is more than a little sinister. Though the latter statement is true, I don't normally engage too heavily with anti-feminists. Takes up too much time and energy and I'll never change their minds. So I'll leave it there now with you. If you really are interested in feminism, read some of the threads. There are some very intelligent and eloquent women on here. Also I think that you have misread Greer somewhere down the line.