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Should it be illegal for men to pay for prostitution?

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EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 31/08/2012 11:13

Should we criminalise all men who pay for prostitution, alongside help for women to leave prostituion?

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mcmooncup · 12/09/2012 21:42

"I did not do it because I needed the money or anything else" - so you did it because you like sleeping with men, is that what you are saying? Nothing more, nothing less?

xxcxx · 12/09/2012 21:47

i do it because it works for me, I enjoy the free time it brings, the sex, seeing men leave with a smile on their face, hearing a man tell me how stress free he now feels after our meeting is complete, and the financial extras it brings

if you dont like my choice, that is fine but it is mine

the job does not affect me one bit, thats just me :)

xxcxx · 12/09/2012 21:50

and mcmooncup, very little people do a job PURELY because they like it and for no other reason

being a solicitor or doctor is just not my thing, my future plans are doing self employed beauty and animal care aswell as the odd shag for a bit extra :)

summerflower · 12/09/2012 21:50

I truly don't get the "live in poverty" or "be a sex worker" argument when you say you have a free choice?? It simply doesn't make sense.

Realistically what other choices to you think should be available?

summerflower · 12/09/2012 21:53

previous post was to avaboosmummy

SabrinaMulhollandJones · 12/09/2012 21:53

There's something about xxcxx's posts that I can't quite trust... They're just too gloating. I wonder Why she feels the need to gloat? My mother used to tell me gloating was a sign of insecurity.

mcmooncup · 12/09/2012 21:55

xx "seeing men leave with a smile on their face, hearing a man tell me how stress free he now feels after our meeting is complete"

I'm sorry but that rings massive alarm bells for me. Why do you need a man's validation?

avaboosmummy · 12/09/2012 21:55

mcmooncup

Yes I do agree that women's choices can be limited but I ponder on how much of this is down to biology, we bear the children and to some extent I feel our bond with them is higher than a fathers.
So hence our children will always come before us, you could say that women make sacrifices for their children all the time, men do to, but then single mothers probably outweigh single fathers so hence we sacrifice more in that situation.

In ref to the future, when my life went pear shaped I couldn't see one. I hope I made an informed a choice as possible at the time and I have had to reconcile stuff from my past before.

I feel that the betrayal by my ex has had and will continue to have a far greater impact on me than my current vocation.

your last comment made me laugh!

wisdomoflollygag · 12/09/2012 21:56

Sabrina - I don't think xxcxx is gloating.I think she's just telling the truth but you don't like what she says.Good luck xxcxx.

mcmooncup · 12/09/2012 22:02

Ava "Yes I do agree that women's choices can be limited but I ponder on how much of this is down to biology, we bear the children and to some extent I feel our bond with them is higher than a fathers.
So hence our children will always come before us, you could say that women make sacrifices for their children all the time, men do to, but then single mothers probably outweigh single fathers so hence we sacrifice more in that situation."

This is the stuff feminism ponders all the time Wink

SabrinaMulhollandJones · 12/09/2012 22:04

Oh, I don't mind her posts, they just made me wonder..Ava seemed much more honest.

I don't think the 'individual has the right to do what they want' argument really holds water when your discussing prostitution. What about other women's rights to equality? To not be seen as sex objects? To not be trafficked?

xxcxx · 12/09/2012 22:06

i dont need his validation, it just makes me happy to know iv made someone else, my client, happy

you'd understand if you had an overworked, stressed out man at yours and he leaves happy, smiling like a weight has been lifted off his shoulders

likewise if he leaves looking miserable as sin or panicking because hes late home, i really couldnt care less, but it does make you smile when said man leaves happy and unloaded :)

im just telling you my side of the story, thats all

take it or leave it

mcmooncup · 12/09/2012 22:09

xxcxx - it rings alarm bells because you said in an earlier post that you slept around a lot prior to being 18 and were getting a 'bit of a reputation' (that is a feminist issue right there) and then you said one of the main things that you like about your job is pleasing a man.

These are indicators of a very low self esteem.

xxcxx · 12/09/2012 22:10

sabrina you say shes being more honest because she said she does the work to keep a roof over her DCs head

many women do work because of that, my mum worked in asda for years when i was younger and said she hated it, she even said that if she knew how different my work is to the stereotype (which she found out when she came for a brew at one of the parlours i worked in) she would have tried it herself

im just telling my side of the story, i have no DCs so only myself and cats and dog to take care of, and i didnt start because I was desperate for money, but thats just me

lots of escorts are the same as me, I worked with a 24 year old who was running her own seperate business with her friend and worked for the extra money

xxcxx · 12/09/2012 22:12

i didnt sleep around a lot, i had casual sex every now and again because I wanted to, I dont know why you find that so hard to believe

you know what women are like, they dont want you fucking plenty of men even if none of them are theirs or anyones elses DP

i think any professional feels proud when they provide customer satisfaction

avaboosmummy · 12/09/2012 22:16

summerflower

I agree on this, however I just don't believe humanity can acheive this, no one can stand up and take charge or even agree on anything. I don't think many people are truely happy in the world in which we live regardless of wealth, and to acheive personal fulfillment is not found working 100hrs a week for a big fat paycheck.
Not everyone will agree to socialism and even if they did, there will be always be one person who feels entitled to more, so it all falls down.

I can't help but feel that humanity is flawed through and through, of course some of us are enlightened but that is the minority.

I do agree about prostitution and lack of choice but I don't agree with some of the man bashing that has gone on on this thread. All humans are capable of trespass against another, I don't think it is limited to gender.
I don't neccessarily agree that a willing prostitute is a woman kept in her place by a man. Women's attitudes towards other women leave a lot to be desired at times.

I do believe things can change but I d not think humanity has the ability to do this.

mcmooncup · 12/09/2012 22:17

"you know what women are like, they dont want you fucking plenty of men even if none of them are theirs or anyones elses DP"

Women are like that? Really?

mcmooncup · 12/09/2012 22:21

"Women's attitudes towards other women leave a lot to be desired at times."

It is really interesting that both of you have a bad opinion of other women.
I would be so bold as to say that this comes down to the "divide and conquer" tactic of men that you believe that women are worse to other women than men.

Women don't kill other women in general, are not commonly violent to other women. That is the premise of men. In the majority.

SabrinaMulhollandJones · 12/09/2012 22:24

xxcxx I have no problem with women having all the sex they want, and as many partners as they want. I do have an issue with people being unfaithful though- and I think you should examine why you feel more excited when the punter is married? Is it satisfying to be able to take someone elses man? I would say that is a sign of insecurity. I think mcmooncup may have right about you seeking validation from men.

My issue has always been the buying of sex - it makes commodities of human beings and once human beings are commodities there will be profiteering.

amillionyears · 12/09/2012 22:27

xxcxx,is your dad in the same sort of business?

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SabrinaMulhollandJones · 12/09/2012 22:30

Ava: "summerflower I agree on this, I just don't think humanity can achieve it..."

It's worth a shot though?

mcmooncup · 12/09/2012 22:33

Hmmm xxcxx, you do seem to hate women. That's a shame, there are lots of nice women.

I expect you want to goad women on your thread into saying they think you are shameless and without morals so you can prove your own point that women are horrendous to one another. Go girl Confused

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PretzelTime · 12/09/2012 22:35

Well MNHQ did!