Schools denying girls the cervical cancer jab on religious grounds

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This is absolutely appalling. Even worse, they are not telling GPs that they are choosing not to offer vaccination :(

Grauniad article

So you support the right of schools to opt out of national programs on the basis of their religious views about sex?

Right you are.

Yes of course I do, or any other reason they like.

You've had a response

There's plenty I'd like a response to but you're not even bothering to read.

Maybe I'll try.

I'd like a response to "the scandal of misinforming girls and women about safety trials, vaccine risks and vaccine efficacy far outweighs the problem of girls having to have vaccines at the GP instead of at school".

Also Edith's "it's not the responsibility of the schools" (to paraphrase)

Also "the safety trials were misleading - why do you think this is ok for a mass school roll out"

Also "one of the women intimately involved in its development believes pap smears are a safe alternative that doesn't risk lives"

I'd like a response to those, just for starters, but you'd have to read the questions first.

For example "its not in keeping with the school ethos" or "the school does not want parents/students to feel pressurised by peers or the school setting". Very valid reasons which were also mentioned in the completely unbiased Grauniad article but which you don't seem to be getting your knickers in a twist about.
Get your mind out of the gutter, woman.

OK well that is a totally different view to me.
I believe that all schools in the UK should follow the national protocols and that having religious views must not interfere with that.
Thinking mainly to do with relationships, contraception, abortion, plus issues to do with ensuring that girls get the same level of education as boys, and are able to access the same range of subjects.

I fear our perspectives are so far apart - one with a view about how UK society should look as a whole and one with a much more individualistic stance - that there is no middle ground.

Be nice if she read the thread

I'd like a response to the above, Sardine, in your own time.

I have had conversations with anti-vaxxers on MN before and I know how pointless and boring and annoying it is to engage.

So I am not engaging with that side.

I am trying to discuss, on the feminist section of MN, whether girls in religious schools in the UK should be "opted out" en masse from anything that goes against the "ethos". However it seems that conversation is not going to happen and the FACT that girls are being denied all sorts of things at religious schools is not of interest to most on here - who have driven all the other posters of the thread (well done on that by the way).

I'd like a response to the above, Sardine, in your own time.

Plainly it's not of interest or we'd be talking about it, by the way.

I'd like a response .

oh are we on teh repeat and repeat thing now?
because there's nothing else to say.

It seems none of you are even slightly interested in the issues of what is going on in some religious schools in the UK
You know you have driven all of the people off who wanted to talk about this? Yes? How does that make you feel, that we cannot now talk about this issue. Triumphant, I imagine.

Well done.

OK

So you have said it

For anyone reading or lurking - accuracy has said that the FOLLOWING is not of interest:

"I am trying to discuss, on the feminist section of MN, whether girls in religious schools in the UK should be "opted out" en masse from anything that goes against the "ethos". However it seems that conversation is not going to happen and the FACT that girls are being denied all sorts of things at religious schools is not of interest to most on here".

Well that sums it up really doesn't it.

What are you doing on the feminists section, may I ask, if the treatment of girls in some religious schools in the UK is of no interest.

Oh are we on the "I'm allowed to demand things and you're not" now?

because you have nothing else to say

it seems you are not even slightly interested in an scandal affecting a health intervention for millions and millions of women

there are plenty of women on here discussing this scandal despite that - which is a jolly good thing

hopefully a lot more will now be aware that there is a lot more to the HPV vaccine than meets the eye (and it's not good) enough if you're not one of them

because you do not care

HPV vaccine is a far greater feminist issue than you can imagine, Sardine. And you don't care.

"I am aggressive"?

hahahahaha

I am not engaging with anti-vac people
This thread is not about that
It is about religious schools opting out of national programs
It's a scandal

And YOU don't care.

Yes it is - threads evolve - it's not up to you what people post.

I've pointed out a far more serious feminist issue which you REFUSE to inform yourself about. Point blank refuse. Well done.

How can this statement:

"pupils follow strict Christian principles, marry within their own community and do not practise sex outside marriage".

From a SCHOOL not worry people? I find it baffling.
What do YOU think they are teaching these girls about relationships, contraception, abortion, about their rights?

Oh I forgot it's of no interest to you.

I know about the issues.
i have discussed them at length on MN with people on thsi thread, many times. I have read the links and talked and talked and talked.
I have no desire to engage on the topic here.
the thread is not about that.

You know one of your cohort is against all vaccinations of any kind, I assume?

Really? What do you know about the safety trials of Cervarix?

Be careful who you ally yourself with.

And try and have a little interest in the plight of women and girls around the world, including in the UK, because of religion.

Remind me again

"How can this statement:

"pupils follow strict Christian principles, marry within their own community and do not practise sex outside marriage".

From a SCHOOL not worry people? I find it baffling.
What do YOU think they are teaching these girls about relationships, contraception, abortion, about their rights? "

Is the above of any interest to you?