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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Schools denying girls the cervical cancer jab on religious grounds

265 replies

DowagersHump · 20/07/2012 09:42

This is absolutely appalling. Even worse, they are not telling GPs that they are choosing not to offer vaccination :(

Grauniad article

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ArthurPewty · 25/07/2012 12:51

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Sossiges · 25/07/2012 12:54

Very true. And if Pharma are so desperate to solve Rwanda's problems why don't they give them some money for clean water, sanitation & healthcare facilities instead. Oh no, that wouldn't make money, would it? Silly me

PigletJohn · 25/07/2012 13:47

sossiges wrote
Maybe those batches are out of date now, maybe they're 'hot', maybe it's a 'scientific trial', no, I'm sure they're doing it for lovely philanthropical reasons.
I bet they'll all need re-vaccinating in 5 years time (lovely money!)

MsAnnTeak wrote
I have no idea how you can still deem it a as either unsubstantiated, or a smear

Sossiges · 25/07/2012 15:30

Hey PJ Wink
Out of date vaccines are commonly given. Just a few examples: here and here and here.

PigletJohn · 25/07/2012 15:47

Maybe Sossiges is insane, maybne she's in league with the devil, maybe she has shares in the Homeopathic industry, no, I'm sure she's honestly doing her best.
I bet she'll be selling her story to nutters on some freakish website (lovely money!)

Sossiges · 25/07/2012 15:56

'Hot lots' - vaccine lots which are particularly reactive and cause more side effects. Always denied. Here and here and here.

Sossiges · 25/07/2012 15:57

I'm really sorry that you're so blinkered. Sad

Sossiges · 25/07/2012 15:59

And you're wrong about me on all counts. But hey, I guess you're used to being wrong.

Sossiges · 25/07/2012 16:09

Vaccine trials abroad
No, that would never happen - oh look, it already did.

Sossiges · 25/07/2012 16:10

What are you going to do with out of date vaccines?? Pour them down the drain?

I bet it costs a lot to dispose of hazardous waste these days.

Sossiges · 25/07/2012 16:11

Must go and do some RL, don't forget to slag me off while I'm not here Smile

crescentmoon · 25/07/2012 18:57

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Accuracyrequired · 25/07/2012 21:03

"Maybe Sossiges is insane, maybne she's in league with the devil, maybe she has shares in the Homeopathic industry, no, I'm sure she's honestly doing her best. I bet she'll be selling her story to nutters on some freakish website (lovely money!)"

Oh my gosh! Shame on you!

A little hypocritical after talking about unsubstantiated smears PigletJohn. You have no interest at all in these damaged women. I cannot, as a feminist, imagine why.

Accuracyrequired · 25/07/2012 21:03

Ha ha sossidge I don't mean you are a damaged woman.

Sossiges · 25/07/2012 21:10

Don't worry, I can take it Wink

PigletJohn · 25/07/2012 21:48

Accuracy

"A little hypocritical after talking about unsubstantiated smears "

So having refused to see an unsubstantiated smear when sossige wrote it, you now see one, do you?

more than a little hypocritical.

PigletJohn · 25/07/2012 21:55

Still, at least I can rely on AnnTeak's support

I have no idea how you can still deem it as either unsubstantiated, or a smear

Accuracyrequired · 25/07/2012 22:06

Pharmaceutical corporations have, as a copper might say, previous. And lots of it.

It reflects very badly on you that you read this whole thread, don't care about the women involved and have only posted in order to be sarcastic, abusive and snide.

Accuracyrequired · 25/07/2012 22:07

Just realised - you don't know about the "previous" because you refuse to read, hear or find out about it.

Well now you know.

Accuracyrequired · 25/07/2012 22:24

And reply came there none.

EdithWeston · 26/07/2012 10:14

Here's another (current) example of religious edict and immunisation: Pakistani police having to force polio immunisations in areas where mullahs have spoken against it.

Back to the OP: did the article include whether and how PCTs are ensuring HE children are offered the jab?

Sossiges · 26/07/2012 10:23

Nice. Isn't that the OPV which sheds?

Accuracyrequired · 26/07/2012 22:07

Oh yes Soss. In slum conditions. How fricking stupid is that. Of course the wealthy can have IPV but yknow. I don't suppose Bill Gates gives a sanitary failure about that.

PigletJohn · 26/07/2012 23:02

It's cheap and easily-administered OPVs that have wiped Polio off the face of the earth except for a few regions where rabid antivaxxers keep it going.

The point about "shedding" Polio Vaccine is that in an area with endemic polio and poor sanitation, there will be a lot of full-strength wild polio in the envronment, especially in water polluted with sewage. Adults in that area will usually have some immunity because if they didn't die from it when young, they may just be crippled for life to some extent, or they may have no symptoms or be carriers. These people who still have the infection will be excreting it and perpeptuating the cycle of infection, disability and death through the generations.

A child or baby given the OPV will achieve a degree of immunity. Interestingly, they will excrete some of the weakened live vaccine. The upside is that other children exposed to sewage containing this weakened live vaccine have a chance of being infected by it and developing a degree of immunity from the weakened strain even if their antivaxxer parents prevented them from being immunised. Of course, in the environment I am describing, these children will be the lucky ones if they are infected by the attenuated strain rather than the virulent wild disease.

Interestingly, in a small but unknown number of cases, the attenuated strain can mutate back to a virulent strain over a period, and can then cause the disease. This is one of the reasons why when polio immunisation is carried out in one of the four countries in the world where it remains, due to obstruction by the antivaxxers, great efforts are made to immunise all the children at the same time, to prevent subsequent infection by a mutation. The children of antivaxxers in such a village would be at particular risk.

I look forward to the day when Polio is wiped off the face of the earth by extending vaccination to those few isolated corners where antivaxxers have managed to keep it going.

In the same way that Smallpox has been eradicated from the wild thanks to the strenuous efforts of healthcare teams providing vaccinations to all corners of the earth. No doubt there are antivaxxers who were not in favour of the eradication of smallpox.