Schools denying girls the cervical cancer jab on religious grounds

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This is absolutely appalling. Even worse, they are not telling GPs that they are choosing not to offer vaccination :(

Grauniad article

And just to put the lid on it - millions MORE women and girls than are being affected by this piddling religious nonsense.

I have plenty of idea as I have read many threads with many of these posters on and I know what their views are.

Basically people are saying that it is OK for schools to opt out of national programs on religious grounds and not tell anyone they are doing so. Fabbo.

You think the way women and girls are treated due to "religious nonsense" is MINOR?

FGM
Contraception
Abortion
Being married off young
Being killed for stepping out of line
Not being allowed to vote
Not being educated
and a million other things every single day to millions and millions of females

For FUCKS sake some people are just such small minded ignoramuses

"pupils follow strict Christian principles, marry within their own community and do not practise sex outside marriage".

I think this is secondary to the emerging facts this vaccine is proving problematic. By your own admission you can't be arsed to read the links. OK. Big pharma, run by men in a patriarchy dumping potentially harmful vaccines onto our young females and you don't have the desire to delve further. OK
Not a feminist issue. OK

Had I not found the facts I have I'd be only too happy to give an opinion on prohibiting the vaccine on the grounds of one partner for life, monogomous relationships.

Talk about "God knows what else they are doing at these schools - what they are teaching them about sex, relationships, contraception, abortion. " and I'll be happy to offer something if I can.

"prohibiting the vaccine on the grounds of one partner for life, monogomous relationships. "

But not all of the girls will go on to have those relationships.
Even if they do, not all of the girls partners will also be virgins.
the school is making a decision based on how they want their pupils to behave and if they don't then fuck em.
Because it's to do with sex.

I can't believe that so many people think it is fine for this to happen.

It seems that the religious people are prepared to sacrifice the health of girls to prove a point
And so are the anti-vax types.

The POINT IS schools should not be allowed to OPT OUT of national programs and not tell anyone. The fact that so many think this is FINE is really worrying.

"You think the way women and girls are treated due to "religious nonsense" is MINOR?"

Actually? You must be desperate.

Because I say the numbers of girls affected (or not) by this are piddling - compared to the millions of women who have this medical intervention without full information or with misleading information - I therefore think FGM is a minor issue?

You must truly be desperate if you are resorting to that argument.

I'm afraid it's you that's prepared to sacrifice the health of girls, as you'd know if you'd read the posts. But you just don't WANT to know, as you've admitted.

You don't to read that well known anti-feminist and anti-vaccinator Dr Diane Harper on HPV vaccine. You don't want to know about the detail and the failure of the safety studies. You just don't WANT to know. And this affects just about every girl in Britain except the ones in these schools. And you don't care.

So basically the people on here are so fired up in their big pharma nhs conspiracy rage that they are saying it is OK for UK schools to opt out of national programs and not tell anyone.

That is a bizarre viewpoint.

And YES accuracy you said this "And just to put the lid on it - millions MORE women and girls than are being affected by this piddling religious nonsense."

Yknow Sardine you did say something right.

"For FUCKS sake some people are just such small minded ignoramuses".

They sure are.

You people think this reason "pupils follow strict Christian principles, marry within their own community and do not practise sex outside marriage" makes it OK for a school to opt out of national programs and not tell anyone.

I think it is disgraceful.
Who knows what else they are doing. I mean seriously. But none of you give a monkeys do you. FFS.

accuracy you were the one who called the impact of religion on women and girls "minor" which is quite shockingly ignorant.

Open a newspaper why don't you. Oh i forgot they're full of lies

Yes - millions more women are affected by the vaccine roll-out than by this piddling little story (which is just PR, by the way, did I mention that).

Would you disagree? How on earth would you like to disagree? Is there some invisible mention of FGM and wife-beating in there undetectable to the human eye?

Insulting much? "fired up with big pharma rage" whatever you said?

Why don't you inform yourself a little more Sardine. You are woefully informed at the moment as you've admitted. You still don't seem away that you've been taken for a sucker in a pro-vaccine stunt. "Let's get the feminists onside who don't know much about it and make it a human rights issue!" That was a real score.

To get this straight
The school have opted out of this program on the basis that their girls will be vigins until the marry, and will then marry someone from inside the community who they hope is a virgin too
the school have not informed anyone so as to allow those students and parents who want the vaccine, the opportunity to have it
As far as they are aware this vaccine will protect against HPV, and they really don't want their girls having it because they are sure that they will remain sexually pure until it is deemed by their religion that they may have intercourse - and more or less with who

Many posters on this thread think this is fine and reasonable.
What country are we in? It wouldn't be out of place in saudi.

I doubt very much this is a Christian issue: if it were, then it would be about 20%+ of schools, not

"accuracy you were the one who called the impact of religion on women and girls "minor" "

No, I think that's some fantasy person you're having an argument with because you don't have any decent responses to me.

"And just to put the lid on it - millions MORE women and girls than are being affected by this piddling religious nonsense."

How many times do I need to cnp that FFS.

Edith not all christian schools in the UK are of the same branch of christianity, or have the same values or level of orthodoxy. i am surprised that you do not know that.

SQ: the PCT will know the school has opted out. It is information requests to PCTs that are the basis of the article (behind a pay wall).

It is then for the PCT to act to cover those individuals. If the PCT is not doing to, then it the one responsible for failing to have the jab offered.

Incidentally, commentary on the article on the GP website (nearest I could get to actual text, rather than Guardian account of it) shows that not all the opted out schools have done so on religious grounds.

"millions MORE women and girls (ie the entire population of the UK and most countries in the world) than are being affected by this piddling religious nonsense. (ie a number of schools)"

which bit of that is not true
which bit of that mentions FGM
which bit of that mentions wife-beating

you get the picture

you're desperate

Maybe you aren't desperate, maybe you just don't understand. I promise you Sardine, if you read up on this, you'll understand where the real feminist issue lies.

I know there a indeed many Christian denominations. It does however, appear from the numbers that it is not Catholic schools uniformly affected (see various comments on Catholic stance higher up the thread). Also it is unlikely to be any state VA or VC school, because of the numbers. Here aren't that many other denomination Christian schools. There are larger numbers of other religions so they obviously need to be looked to when seeking reasons.

The responsibility to reach those communities lies however totally with the PCT for immunisations.

Or if SQ even read this thread - but no, it's full of anti-vaxers with their kooky ideas, blah blah blah, so I'll just ignore it and make you all write the whole thread out again just for meeee

edith schools within the same denomination will behave in different ways. they always have done. It is not a blanket of any branch - each school will make its own decision. It is not even a given that all of the schools affected are doing it based on objections due to their christian faith, other religions may be involved.

I would like a response to this:

"To get this straight
The school have opted out of this program on the basis that their girls will be vigins until the marry, and will then marry someone from inside the community who they hope is a virgin too
the school have not informed anyone so as to allow those students and parents who want the vaccine, the opportunity to have it
As far as they are aware this vaccine will protect against HPV, and they really don't want their girls having it because they are sure that they will remain sexually pure until it is deemed by their religion that they may have intercourse - and more or less with who

Many posters on this thread think this is fine and reasonable.
What country are we in? It wouldn't be out of place in saudi."

How can you say that it is reasonable for schools to do this? I genuinely don't understand. God only knows what else is going on in these schools.

The real issue is that groups of Gardasil/Cervarix survivors are filing lawsuits against Merck in the USA and Australia because these vaccines are dangerous.
TBH I wouldn't want schools pushing possibly lethal vaccines onto young girls but that's just me....