The departure of dittany

[Pan]

I only know that she has left, and in her post she didn't say much as to why, though some people can speculate and imagine why.

Quite a few days ago (last weekend I think) there were threads that pinpointed the lack of consideration that MNHQ has toward the sort of trolls that infest the FS section from time to time - different in nature and purpose to your average troll that infects MN from time to time.

It may well be that d. is in contact with regular posters whom she trusts. I don't know.

What I do know is that d. was a fabulous source of invigoration and illumination to a lot of posters, myself included, though we didn't always agree with her.

I would like a review from MNHQ of their current "talk guidlines" policy, in order that the FS is provided with a consideration that recognises the particular vulnerability that it experiences.

D. left for her own reasons - but this presents itself as a sort of 'test case' for MN to respond sensitively.

Would anyone agree and post here in support of this?

Pan, tbh a lot of the time if you don't agree/question something on the feminist boards you're called a troll/MRA/mysoginsit.....not sure how MNHQ can stop folk disagreeing or having opinions. Fwiw I lurk on the feminist boards, sometimes post but for the majority of the time am too afraid to say anything! And I tend to agree with a lot of the feminist views

don't bite on this thread.

i agree that mn need to review their policies in light of sustained external 'interest' in fwr. i don't doubt that this is the current thorn in the side of mnhq, but hey ho. you run the show, and all that. please brainstorm coherently and come up with some workable suggestions (using the board as necessary).

Well I think tehy need to focus their deltion on brexeches of hate speech: I know full well that it's a wooly thing but it's also an accepted 'thing'

and frankly if they can then maange it for racism etc why on earth can;t it be extended to sexism as well? About time it was, if MN is willing to ahve the publicity of let girls be girls, why not make a stand?

hid eposter was rejected by MN on the Sn threads as unworkable, I don't know as I have enver frequented a site that uses it but I know that posters who are vulnerable should not be targetted by trolls or leaving support threads in tears.

I don't think the regular trollers on here need to be addressed tbh. Both of them are experts at making threads all about them and I don't think we should let them do that this time.

What do you think we should do Peachy because I think you're right about us all talking to each other.

I think the regular posters should stop navel-gazing quite so much tbh - it's a free space as is the rest of MN - there is room for all povs. Not sure why differing views are so viciously leapt on in this particular area rather than welcoming debate. It makes it more appealing to the rare actual trolls or derailers when it's sk easy to get a rise, I'd imagine.

Anyway I understand there is a sugestion to start s thread in site stuff that all sections of the baord can have a say on: togetehr we stand and all that

you know what plenty verbose posters on fem topics dish it out amd jump to mra,apologist,troll as accusation v quickly. the whole vibe can be v accusatory and inflammatory on both sides

i dont particularly recall dittanty or her posts.but as a principle people come people go

Oops, cross posted.

Celestina, hate speak against women is legal.

It's only some minorities who are protected from it. Women don't matter. the fact that they are the biggest section of the community who are likely to suffer hate based attacks and murder, doesn't matter.

HereBe

terhe was a sugegstion that MNHQ seemed to ignore that we could get them up for a webchat to discuss this, in the style of today's Hugh one.

If enough people shout.......

I know MNHQ does it's best but some of the emails sent ot SN posters apologsiing were duplicates, and it takes ages for tehm to reply: a proper discussion needs to happen.

When I mentioned 'safe' space, I meant you could post about sensitive issues here without fear of unpleasantness.

Rape in particular is a big issue for feminism and feminists are very supportive of people who have been through that. Generalisation there but hope I will be forgiven for that one :).

Anyhow the point. People have, in the past, felt able to post in here about that (for example) and talk about their experiences without the (sadly misplaced as it turns out) fear that some tosser will pile in with rape jokes, how horrid for a poor man to be accused of rape, and your fault for being female and smiling at a man (etc) type posts.

Now that is not the case. People don't want to post personal stuff for fear of being mocked by peowho come on here with some agenda or even worse get stalked over the internet by some really nasty pieces of work (I know ppl this has happened to, it's not some fantasy melodrama I'm making up).

Slashdot moderators score posts as +1 or -1. Posts get scores up to +5 or down to -1 max. Readers can browse with settings to ignore posts blow a certain level. You get to moderate by posting enough non-downchecked comments and reading enough in a set period. That's it in a nutshell but the system is quite sophisticated with lots of twiddles eg meta-moderation. Take peek! I posted a link

barking up wrong tree.women as a collective gender are not identified or protected under hate speech. specific religious cultural groups of men and women are protected

gotta laugh at scottishmummy saying she doesn't particularly recall dittany as a poster

your pants are on fire, sm

Thanks Peachy and HereBe. That's what i thought, I don't think MNHQ are failing in any legal sense here. (Whether anti-woman hate speech should be illegal is another discussion I suppose.)

flip,imo people should not post personal deep stuff (rape or otherwise on mn)
its not safe,not secure
accessible and reproducible to many.not safe
and if unwittingly assumption has arisen that fem topics are safe and somehow shielded,well sadly its misplaced.

Haven't read all posts but wanted to add my genuine dismay at the news that Dittany has gone.

She's a feminist inspiration and there was hardly ever a post of hers I disagreed with.

The knowledge and insight she imparted on MN will stay with me for pretty much ever and inspire me to keep going on the path of feminist awakening.

I, I, I, sorry feel like an egomaniac.

Thank you for everything Dittany and I will keep a hope alive to see your wisdom back here some day.

How can anyone not recall dittany?

Stripey differing views are welcome, we love debate.

But i think the problem is misogynistic perspectives are as 'hidden in plain sight' as much as racist ones were 50 yrs go. Perfectly reasonable nice decent people hold them, without having considered the undercurrents, when someone else points it out it's a shock, and people get defensive. And then repeat 100 times and you can see how tempers get fraught.

wow slhilly. how ingenious. But probably too complicated for MN.

"Pan, tbh a lot of the time if you don't agree/question something on the feminist boards you're called a troll/MRA/mysoginsit."

K999 - yes and I have seen that happen - and sometimes I ahve thought . On one or two occasions I though I was up for that sort of response.

But this thread isn't about that issue at all. It is about having a saner, more mature response to posters who are clearly determined to disrupt the flow because of their agenda to do this.

I am in no way an apologists for unfounded reactions to some genuine enquiry.

like I said this thread isn't about that issue at all. It is about having a saner, more mature response to posters who are clearly determined to disrupt the flow because of their agenda to do this.

this is like mn flounce threads of yore
a call out from fans whenever someone threatens to leave