The departure of dittany

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I only know that she has left, and in her post she didn't say much as to why, though some people can speculate and imagine why.

Quite a few days ago (last weekend I think) there were threads that pinpointed the lack of consideration that MNHQ has toward the sort of trolls that infest the FS section from time to time - different in nature and purpose to your average troll that infects MN from time to time.

It may well be that d. is in contact with regular posters whom she trusts. I don't know.

What I do know is that d. was a fabulous source of invigoration and illumination to a lot of posters, myself included, though we didn't always agree with her.

I would like a review from MNHQ of their current "talk guidlines" policy, in order that the FS is provided with a consideration that recognises the particular vulnerability that it experiences.

D. left for her own reasons - but this presents itself as a sort of 'test case' for MN to respond sensitively.

Would anyone agree and post here in support of this?

so report trolls,but dont expect any special consideration regards fem topics
like everyone else one can report unsavoury posts

You're not listening again, are you sm?

Sorry but as I said before, this DOES happen in other topics, it's not exclusive to fem. It's horrible and nasty but it really does happen everywhere.

It happens in relationships. With DV you get a lot of trolls there. In SN and all those other emotive topics and it's no less hurtful.

If you have rules for feminist topics then those rules would have to be rolled out across the board. I'm sure that feminists, above all people, would know the importance of being treated with equal measure and not receiving any special treatment just because of who they are.

I'm sure that MNHQ are carefully considering their response. I shall ask tomorrow when I see some of them.

what you mean is im concordant to your pov

LRD, so far no-one seems to have come up with a useful idea as to how to tackle this and I'm afraid that some posters earlier on where asking for special treatment, which I'm sure you know would not be on. Esp if those trollers were regulars going from thread to thread.

what you mean is im not concordant to your pov.lrd
do read thread plenty othrs are also saying fem tooics are no different to any other topic and dont need different or careful moderation

were

rhubarb, I know it happens elsewhere. I've said that several times. It's just that I'm here, now, wondering about here and now. I think teh trolling in Feminism is nasty, and obviously the trolls chose to come and post here because they dislike feminism/want to upset people. There are also trolls who post in SN because they don't like people with disabilities/want to upset people. Specific responses are needed only insofar as trolls will do different offensive things to offend different groups. HQ make changes to their way of reacting as and when they need to - so, for example, 'retard' is considered an inappropriate word in all sections, not just SN.

I think the trolls come on not merely because they dislike feminism or children with SN but because they have issues in rl and the only attention they get, or any feeling of importance, is when they are stirring up controversy.

Most of what they write is bullshit. They don't go looking for young girls, they don't apologise for rape, but they say they do because they want a reaction, they want to feel that they have made an impact, that they are important for a split second. They target areas that they think will give them that reaction, which is why you hardly ever see them in general parenting topics, or chat, or AIBU (yup, most of them are real sadly enough).

So what to do about them? I don't know. I really don't. Without a huge change to Mumsnet, without lots of moderators, without banning free speech, can it be done? We often accuse MNHQ of not acting quick enough, but how many reports do they get every day? And how do they sort out the merely trifling whines from the really important complaints? If we had a red flag you just know it would be misused. So what is the answer?

A Hide Poster feature.

trolls go any ole place they get a reaction.vicarious excitement
and fem topics arent any more got at.but there is a belief it is got at or undermined by mnhq.was post about it last week

How would a Hide Poster feature work?
You'd still get those who would take them on and it doesn't stop them from posting.
Although it would be a good idea to ignore them as then they have no reward for their vile postings. So yeah, if it can be done, why not?

i dont feel compeled to ansewr or read stuff i dont like
dont need a hide poster i just dont rise to bait

For all those saying it's an open forum and there's no such thing as a safe space: consider, for a moment, the bereavement forums on here. Now just imagine that those forums were repeatedly invaded by people posting that your loved ones died because you didn't have sufficient faith in a god, or that you should ask yourself whether your baby died because you ate a bite of pate or had half a glass of wine. And that these people kept on and on doing it, and when challenged said they were only putting an alternative point of view. And the posters who called them wankstains and scum got deleted, while the posts blaming bereaved people for their bereavement were left untouched.
Wouldn't you think, then, that the guidelines might need a bit of adjustment?

I think if people could effectively ignore them, they'd get bored and move on. Unfortunately, it is too tempting to either poke them or get annoyed by them while you can still see their posts.

but it did happen sgb,a prolific poster went over to bereaved forum took piss. got short shrift. again id also say mnhq did moderate and people should report

mn is an open forum accessible and readable by many. people do need internet savvy and be circumspect at times.this is not safe space for any one or any topic regardless how harrowing the content

SM: Fair enough, I don't spend a lot of time on bereavement (though I did go there a few months back and found it helpful).
I was using it as an example of how people might stay with in the guidelines but either be deliberately malicious or obsessively self-righteous entitled bellends.
And I do remember the appalling vampire troll who ran riot over that section last year (though that was a vampire troll ie after attention rather than a derailing/agenda-pushing troll).

who on earth would go over to the bereaved forum to take the piss?

it happened it was unpleasant

and the prolific poster is still on here? wasn't banned? who was that?

it was yonks back
and mn has had fair share of trolls,intrigue and nonsense. and people come and people go

AItch - welll there's that bloke who just got sent down for Facebook trolling of bereaved people, so it does go on...

Likening the bereavement section (Which isn't a political section) to this one is a ridiculous thing to do.

true enough. i guess i was just surprised at 'prolific'. because i would like to think that they would be banned outright for trolling the bereavement boards.