Is this for real?

[TheRealMBJ]

Fucking Hell

Oh my word. I'm probably just terribly naive but...

I am curious if any moms on this site are also Men's Rights Activists. This is something I am very passionate about because of the damage that feminism has done to not only women, but especially to men. It is only natural that a lot of men are starting to wake up to the fact that women's lib has sought to overpower them, with its subterfuge being the quest for "equality" between genders.

Do these women have no self-respect? Is this a symptom of abuse? Is it Stockholm syndrome?

I'm flabbergasted.

They sound so sadly desperate for male approval don't they?

Pathetic.

Oh god it's really so sad and so worrying for the kids being raised in homes where this stuff is spouted. It makes me sad and fearful when I imagine what that sort of upbringing, with parents who think that sort of thing, might do to a person. Even assuming they rebel against it and naturally question/turn away from it, it would just be so ... I don't know. So insidious and probably damaging unless you were massively resilient.

:(

FFS at "dog obedience school". Agree that entire post sounds like the braindump of someone with odd obsessions and levels of anger hinting at deep, deep problems.

I wonder about the woman she's condemning, the one she can "see right through". It's probably someone we'd regard as completely normal.

Do these women have no self-respect? Is this a symptom of abuse? Is it Stockholm syndrome?

Not sure. Maybe ripped bodice syndrome?

Possibly in their minds were it not for the nasty feminists, life would have the rosy tint of yester year (mostly gleaned from historically dodgy bodice ripper romance novels), where men were Men, women were women, and one didn?t have to confront the kinks in ones sexuality because those needs were nicely met by the status quo.

All you have to do was drop the milk bucket accidentally on purpose and you got your arse smacked on demand in guise of normal matrimonial power balance.

I could be wide of the mark but that is what it is coming across as to me. Mainly cos it looks like they are trying to recreate the social\sexual dynamic that was portrayed as the norm in the trashy novels my grandmother used to read.

oh I have never felt more like vomiting, seriously it's scary and as bad as this may sound this is from 'educated' women.

It's just so dangerous. It's sanctioning abuse and rape

and as bad as this may sound this is from 'educated' women

...some of whom talk about the MBAs and other advanced degrees in terms of "having had too much education for my own good"

(passes bucket to smellslikecatpee)

sorry their MBAs etc etc

This one really does give wieght to the idea of sexual repression causing fetish to spill over into life in order to get the itch scratched. I reckoned if I poked around I'd find some surrendered wives who graduated to the Taken in Hand stuff...bingo !

"Submissive Wife

I have been married for over 5 months to a wonderful man. I am a professional woman with a Masters Degree with two children from a previous marriage. We were both married previously for over 20 years. This time we want our relationship to be Christ centered. I realize the mistakes I made in my previous marriage. I freely choose to be submissive to my husband. At times it is difficult and I don't realize that I am being disrespectful. He lovingly provides verbal reprimands to let me know that my tone of voice or attitude is displeasing. I choose to obey him as this is what the Bible teaches godly women to do. I can trust my husband to make sound decisons as we pray together and rely on God for direction. When a decision can't be made then I allow him to make it for us. My husband hasn't resorted to physical discipline but I admit there have been times when I needed it. He is reading this website currently and may decide to go that way...that would be alright with me. I truly want to be a godly wife."

I'm off to google what the shrinks think.

I looked at the "when rape is a gift"(shouldn't have, slightly triggery)

It is referring to "rape fantasies", (eg; rough sex, being taken by suprise) but attempts to say it's not saying rape is a good thing. It's saying having a man who indulges the fantasies is a good thing. Yet it makes no effort to distinguish between marital rape and rape fantasies. No mention of a safe word, etc. It'd be so easy for a man to twist it and say, when accused of rape in a marriage, that it was part of a rape fantasy. Also paints women who report marital rape as liars.

Fuck. Shouldn't have read it.

Thank you DM.

I have to admit that I am incapable of offering any real, intelligent opinions on this thread as I am completely stunned. I have been reading this stuff like this .

My husband hasn't resorted to physical discipline but I admit there have been times when I needed it.

Really? When does anyone need physical discipline? Ever?

Thank you, DirtyMartini... I'm not too triggery today... Just going bald cos of it...

butterscotch schnapps it is... more drunk I am, the more I can laugh at this kind of shit...

I'm still confused... How can someone be "too educated for my own good"

I'm not sure my uni would take that as a good reason to withdraw from my degree

"Sorry, Dr. Lecturer, MBA, PHD... I'm getting too clever, and it's not right for a woman... Yes, I'm aware you're a woman... Maybe your brains are stopping you finding yourself a man? You're married? Oh. He's probably with someone who can't think for themselves. Men like that kind of stuff..."

when accused of rape in a marriage, that it was part of a rape fantasy. Also paints women who report marital rape as liars

They also call woman taking legal action against "dominant men" legal violence. Not on that thread but it features in plenty of others.

So I think the fuzzy lines are somewhat deliberate.

I'll join you in the feeling sick. I have a court case looming. I was exceedingly lucky. Didn't actually get to lay a single finger on me due to a lucky break with a car driving past. Had him arrested and charged with a minor but ?red flag? crime anyway, so he'll have a paper trail following him if nothing else the next time he gets accused.

In the grand scheme of things, not that hard to manage head wise compared to what could have happened.

If this is twisting my guts I can imagine that somebody who has had to endure far worse must find it incredibly hard to read.

fastweb, I haven't read the "legal violence" bit...

It's all a bit "you can do whatever you like if you're married to or in a relationship with her."

I hope your court case goes well. I sincerley do

Yes , it very much objectifies women and turns them into property, doesn't it?

An attitude of 'She's mine, so I can do whatever, whenever, I like'

Wow that's a pretty weird site. Just... Ugh. The sentiment and writing style are rather boakmaking.

I'm not at all shocked by the idea of rape fantasy - it's not exactly unheard of. Doesn't mean it needs to be written about by some self-proclaimed love guru though. Ick.

It's not the concept of rape fantasy which is so shocking though (although it is but...) it's the fact that he doesn't make it clear that it is fanatasy at all. And when taken in the context of all the 'legal violence' shite, it's pretty clear that this is all about control and dominance.

(Although, to be fair, he makes no bones about that fact either)

there's a comment from a "femnist" who is also taken in hand. I didn't really understand the comments but apparently she thinks being a feminist is what led to her meeting this wonderful man who wants to own and rape her

Another comment from a woman who enjoys being raped - says if you're uncomfortable just think of it as rough sex. Well the issue isn't the roughness it is the consent! Consensual rough sex is consensual rough sex, rape (even gentle rape) is rape.

OP how did you find this?

HE can't be dead or have come to HIS senses, because HE is a she.

The gift of ....yeah that one, was written by the boss

If you look at this article also written by "the boss", then look at the second comment under it ,also written by "the boss", it reveals the gender of the writer...

"So while I may not consider myself the submissive type, I do have a strong preference to be with a man who takes charge and would not be intimidated or overwhelmed by me ? a fellow great big elephant, so to speak. It is not that I think there is anything wrong with other men, it is just a preference of mine because I'd hate to step on anyone.

But what I mean by this elaphant metaphor is not that I want to dominate, merely that I am a strong and confident woman. I do not consider myself dominant in the sense of having a need to control a man in an intimate relationship. I have zero desire to control a man. "

Nearly fell over when I read that, I had just assumed the writer would be a man.

not to mention when they talk about 'real' rape it is always by some stranger, in an alley. Makes it pretty clear that it's not actually possible for a man to rape his wife.

Stealth I googled it when 'Taken in Hand' was mentioned on another thread in Relationships.