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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

David beckham - "you have to be a lot more delicate with girls" - what a tool.

90 replies

Moulesfrites · 16/07/2011 07:48

link here,

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2015267/David-Beckham-reveals-reason-baby-Harper-Sevens-Harper-Lee.html

Eh? I thought being delicate was a good idea with all babies, because they're babies?

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LilBB · 16/07/2011 09:10

His thoughts that girls are more delicate I would imagine he means when she older. He probably means he is used to rough and tumble with 3 boys and expects his daughter to be different. He's also expecting his house to be full of pink and purple. These are views held by a lot of people, especially those in marketing and design of toys. He may well end up with a girl who likes football and cars shock horror.

I don't have an issue with the name. I think it's much nicer than what they called any of their boys. I thought Victoria said a few years ago that she doesn't read books? Why does your child have to be named after anything why can't you just like a name? I found the name or my DC2 in a baby name book.

bytheMoonlight · 16/07/2011 09:10

Yes Frosty littering your posts with as many insulting phrases towards me makes your logic sound Hmm

Your point is, I think it's very hard to work out between the deogratory comments) was that any name would attract the same evel of critisim, my point is your logic does not hold water for example Jack and Adolf would not attract the same level of critisim.

Do you understand the concept of applying a theory to all exmaples to make it credible?

Or can you only throw insults?

bytheMoonlight · 16/07/2011 09:12

Excuse awful grammer and typo's - bouncing baby on knee!

Jointhedotties · 16/07/2011 09:13

Love the name Harper but I am chuckling at the idea that she was named after the author. It was a wizard character I believe?

I spend much of my time telling my DD to be gentler with her brother, BTW!! Grin

RoundOrangeHead · 16/07/2011 09:13

give her a couple of years and she'll be ruling the roost

AwesomePan · 16/07/2011 09:14

doggie - yes of course it's a bit off, but ..I quite like DB ( and suspect VB isn't quite as bad as made out to be) and remember when dd was born and how one goes all squidgy and daft especially over baby girls and talk a load of tripe.

Infact me and David have a lot in common.Grin

AwesomePan · 16/07/2011 09:15

Round - I reckon you're right.

HerBeX · 16/07/2011 09:19

"Gets moaned at for it, by people who have nothing to do with him or his family"

He didn't make a comment about his family. He made a comment about girls and boys in general.

A stupid comment. But DB is pretty and kicks footballs well, surely we can't expect him to be Einstein too?

TheHumanCatapult · 16/07/2011 09:19

poor guy lets be honest a lot of dads feel more protective of daughters and its been a while so has had time to forget just how small they are

HerBeX · 16/07/2011 09:31

God how awful it is to feel more protective of one child than another and for that to be considered OK.

That makes me cringe tbh.

Sad
doggiesayswoof · 16/07/2011 09:35

Yep that's just depressing HerBex. And not at all my experience of how dads I know (DH included) react to having new babies of either sex.

But then DH identifies as a feminist, so he's probably not in the majority

AwesomePan · 16/07/2011 09:36

I'd put the obsv re girls and boys as 'incorrect, and he will learn how incorrect he was when Harper is having her big brothers run round after her' sort of thing. And I am reckoning he doesn't have to be sub-Einstein to make this remark.

And I am liking the name and the reasoning.

LoveBeingAbleToNamechange · 16/07/2011 09:40

I like the name harper, thought it was English?

I think db's impression of the female sex has come from vb though so I expect she likes to be treeate as a delicate soul.

katkitya · 16/07/2011 09:43

I love the name and I'm upset to see how it has been slated on this site. He's thrilled and overjoyed to have a baby girl. If he has old fashioned ideas than, so what? I'm sure Harper will run rings around them all. He's just a bit giddy that's all. I wish them all the best. I think they are a lovely family unit.

HerBeX · 16/07/2011 09:43

I expect she is a delicate soul. Grin

LRDTheFeministNutcase · 16/07/2011 12:13

Harper's a lovely name. They may not have meant if for the author, but it'd also be a great feminist name and I would imagine if they stay in the States the little girl will get told about the author.

I wonder if DB is doing what lots of people seem to do with newborns and finding something amazing and different about them (that other people, erm, maybe don't see!). It'd be worse if he said 'oh, boring, another baby'.

BluddyMoFo · 16/07/2011 12:17

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TillyIpswitch · 16/07/2011 12:25

Moonlight - Frosty's point stands.

Any name they chose would have attracted criticism. I take it you are not particularly fond of the name Harper. OK fine.

The point is, that even if they had chosen a very popular, pedestrian name like Chloe or Olivia or Isabella - they would still have taken a load of flak for it.

Probably not from the sorts of people that don't like Harper; they probably would have approved of one of these names. But there would have been a huge group of other people who would have vilified them for being so boring and unoriginal, and for saddling their baby with such a common name which will date in no time.

Do you see? It's not a matter of saying all names are equal, but of saying that no matter what the name itself is, it would have come in for a load of criticism from one quarter or another.

Sorry - this is OT, but it does seem as if Moonlight is having a bit of trouble getting this point! :)

StayFrosty · 16/07/2011 20:53

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lawnimp · 16/07/2011 20:55

that name would have been so cool stayfrosty Grin

i would have fallen in love with her if' she'd picked that one

BitOfFun · 16/07/2011 20:57

Well, he's wrong, clearly, but he sounds very much in love, and I'm going to let this one go.

coccyx · 16/07/2011 20:58

leave him alone. Their children are much loved and wanted.

AwesomePan · 16/07/2011 22:45

BoF - exactly.

FreudianSlipper · 17/07/2011 01:11

of course the press will be obsessed with getting pictures of her, she has parents that are obsessed with staying in the public eye and are happy to sell their whole life to gain publicity

he has never been known for his intelligence, shame when he has those elocution lessons to rid him of his silly voice they did not encourage him to stop talking and tweeting his thoughts too

AwesomePan · 17/07/2011 01:28

FS - you're bring a bit harsh there? I doubt if DB has shown signs of being obsessed with the publicity thing. He is a global phenomenon by dint of what he does, but as 'uneducated' as he presents, I do see a sort of honesty about him. His wife, well maybe not so.

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