To all those who say on threads 'I am too scared to go into feminism' - this topic isn't scary!

[GetOrfMoiLand]

I think it's a shame when I see threads where the OP says 'I am too scared to put this in feminism' or something.

I am certainly not knowledgeable about feminist theory, but have never felt that my opinion on this thread wasn't wanted or I was vilified for stating what I believed.

I think this topic is pretty inclusive - yes some people are forthright with their opinions, but nobody's word is god, and I would hate to think that mumsnetters were put off contributing to threads in this topic because they mistakenly think the posters on here are viragos.

floyjoy....

Look....i can't make the world right...

I can only say what is in my experience....

But i will tell you now....

There is no person on this Earth that has a more relelevant point of view than i have.

And there is no one who could ever 'talk over' me.

Thankyou and Goodnight.

I am not going to be scared to post on here, I call myself a feminist, i've read a fair bit about it, but unfortunately hullys post earlier on resonates, a forum that should be welcoming, a sanctury almost can be very hostile.

Although I think the support given to women who've been subject to abuse sexual or otherwise is often excellent.

I'm afraid to say i think dittany can be a bully. She perpetuates the many characteristics she's so damning of in men. And i will say this without fear. She is the ONLY poster on here who I have strong opinions about and who outs me off posting when I see her name. There's a difference between being forthright and honest and down right hostile.

Great Reeling.
that's what we all wish for, for our point of view to be listened to and appreciated, even if not always agreed with.

minxof......cba with the rest...

Reeling-[im not flaming you]-
[i have never been told that a man has a more relivent point than i have...]
good.
but we dont have to be told-whats told?go further than the told-told is lipservice-we are shown-shown-actions speak louder than words sometime.

[the rape stuff has nothing to do with my/dds .................given that we have never been raped...]
good-im glad you have never been raped.
however-just because its not happened dont mean it will never happen.
rape has everything to do with everyone.
saying"im all right jack"is the same as turning youre head!
[where are these comments......]
look around you!
[a body to be fucked........where is she told these things...........]
again-look around you!

Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest reeling shouldn't discuss these things. My reply was as it was because she addressed them to me, and I didn't get where she was coming from. I'm not trying to stop her talking, but I don't see how it relates to my post. In fact, as she put floy's name on the relevant comment, I'm not sure she actually intended it to be relevant to, or even a reply to, my post. Is that ok?

You saw it as a nasty remark, Prolesworth, and I suggested it really isn't. You could have just said you disagreed instead of issuing en edict. That "Full stop" implies your opinion is more valid. There's no discussion with such an attitude, so I shall consider my delurking experiment a failure and learn from it.

Surely confidence is shattered by rape and abuse..

My DD and i have not been subjected to this.

When i say that the rape stuff has nothing to do with me and DD ....

(and i really don't want to sound flippant)

What i mean is that it hasn't ever happened to us.

Ergo... we have the confidence that we should have.

"A body to be fucked"

Has your DD really never been yelled at in the street with language of a sexually aggressive nature being used, by a white van driver?*

Really?

*Or indeed any other coloured vehicle.

As for rape not affecting you or your daughter - does that mean you never take a different route home, get a taxi late at night instead of public transport "for safety reasons", know no-one who has been raped at all (bearing in mind that 1 in 4 women have been, but the vast majority never tell anyone at all except an anonymous researcher or telephone counsellor, so you wouldn't know if they had...)

Sorry, cross posted

Oh, reeling, I didn't in the least mean to suggest you shouldn't feel confidence! Of course you should - and you must be very proud to be the mum of a confident daughter.

However, my point was about women in general. Sadly, women do get raped. It's a risk for all of us. That is one contributing fact that has the potential to sap any woman's confidence.

I agree with you we have to fight these things and not let our confidence get ground down ... but we also have to recognize the potential of these things to damage women.

It's what I intend to do, Prolesworth.

yep-proles-turn the other cheek-its shut up day.
you know very well not to stick up for dittany.
oh by the way-thank fuck youve got a attutude problem-
its good to see women still standing up for whats right.
i agree with forkful-dittany"please come back"!

reeling, is your DD at school? The widespread nature of sexual harassment in our schools is disturbing.

news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/front_page/newsid_7811000/7811468.stm

sorry

Don't want to offend y'all.....

But we do all have different opinions.

DD is is in work now.

its not about offending each other reeling-theres no need to say sorry.
its discussion-its ok to have diffrent oppinions.

Different opinions are good, jesus some of them on here are very 'different'! But I don't get why people come on to say the whole topic is irrelevent/stupid/misguided/whatever. Who does that? Why? it's just to needle & twist the knife - do they really think all the regulars will say Guess what, that pithy one liner has convinced me to drop this silly feminism nonsense. It's Not Nice

HerBeEx.....

Er no...that has never happened to me either.

The nasty ,shouty stuff.

for some fuckin strange reason-im now coming up with the poster name Dreya-im sure you can all see its me though.

That's good Reeling - it happens to other women though.