objectification!

[dadof2ofthem]

ok, this is a serious question
i was talking to a female friend of mine recently, she's educated and emancipated etc, i said "i dont get the 'objectification' argument, i've never once been aroused by an object"

she laughed and told me "it's object as apposed to subject " "ahhhh" i said as though it had just dawned on me what she ment.

if your objective your inpartial, well thats my understanding anyway, and subjective meants your subject to some other force , influencing your opinion.

maybe one of you can fill the gaps for me ?

i'll try not o

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I think Dadof2 after reading this I would answer your questions thus:

1. Using photo/video images made with your DP or DW with your mutual consent in your sex-life when together or apart does not constitute objectification. You all are co-participants and co-users.

1. Using the same sort material made by people you don't know in order to masturbate is objectification whether the images are "hard" or "soft" core porn. There is no interaction, consent or coparticipation, just consumption. You consume the porn "product" and have no interest in/relationship with the person in the images.

1. You don't tell your DW about your porn use because on some level you already know this and feel shame about it -and this is why you are asking here, you are looking for validation.

1. A person does not objective themself: that would be an oxymoron. Objetification by definition is something that happens to you done to do you by other people.

1. Thus, if you don't want to objective women, stop using porn. It's that simple. There are no loops holes, no get-out-of-jail free cards. It's up to you and you alone. Porn works on supply and demand, if lots of men did not consume it, did not objetify women, it would not exist. By using your "soft" porn you are encouraging all its types, even the ones you think abhorrent.

I would like to think you are being genuine, hence my reply. If you have no intention of changing your mind and are just looking for a fight, bugger off back to AIBU.

Objectify women not objective women.
Off to read the dictionary again.

catitainahatita thank you for responding, i doubt my consumption of porn will stop if i am honest but that doesnt mean i'm not serious about this and really wanted to have this conversation,
i want to thank everyone who joined in actually, well, apart from anyf of course.
i may be struggleing with my conscence , not sure really

ditany so your with anyf you think i'm sat here wanking right now?
i would like to think if i told you my 6 year old is watching tv in the next room and my 2 year old is playing on the floor with his toys next to me would make you belive that i wasnt, but , sadly yours and anyf opinion of me is so terrible that you would still think i'm masterbating.
i consume porn, call me a bastard for that if you like , i dont consume mumsnet threads for my pleasure, the very thought is riduculous.

Dadof2: I refer you to point (5). Obviously, you think that your pleasure is more important than any other consideration. I see no need to continue this discussion.

you are certainly talking wank, dadof

not so much of a leap (for you) really, is it ?

I am also of the opinion you are a wanker

your posts lead me to that

dittany, I wonder if you read dadof's post under his (now banned) previous name ?

you would be in further agreement with me if you have

point 5 is a hard taskmaster cat and with respect only your opinion, could it be that some porn is not abusive/exploitative and is consentual?
is that not possible?

clearly if someone puts an image of themslevs on the net it will still be objectifying them if i dont know them, but as was established earlier in the thread , not by me ,
being an object of attention, or desire is not nesseseraly bad .
not looking for a get out of jail free card but will none of you at least conceed that there are varing levels of porn

he will be more than happy to pm it to you

Is there such a thing as 'harmless porn'? I would say that it is similar to saying that buying a bit of weed from the local drug dealer doesn't harm anyone. The money goes on to fund things that are far from harmless.

Dadof this brings me back to point (1) and (2).

Look: you feel bad about using porn and want to find a way of justifying it to yourself. You are not going to find it here. We want you to change your mind and stop objectifying women and stop contributing to the porn industry's exploitation of women.

If you can't understand that; if you are going to continue with your search for someone to tell you what you do "doesn't hurt anyone" and is not like the "bad porn" you might want to post elsewhere.

Op were you on a BF thread last night. Could be wrong

ok, it's like this , dittany & anyfucker are incapable of reasonable debate , i will carry on this conversation, i want to, i started it for a reason, i will carry on here if anyone else finds this worth talking about .
but
i will simply be ignoring the afore-mentioned posters as though they wernt posting.

What I don't understand about porn users is how bloody boring and unimaginative it is. Always the same, variations on a theme, uh uh yeah yeah bang bang tits and fannies and all so fake

How can your sexuality be so limited? It depresses me, and not (necessarily) because of the exploitation/objectification element. Human sexuality is so much better than pornography would suggest.

fifis i dont even know what a BF thread is , but i can tell you i do not post under any names than this one and dadof2littlebuggers , that account was banned

eric upthread i said that pornographers , in my opinion, havnt got a clue what makes good erotica. my sexuality is most certainly not limited to blond babes with pnumatic breasts . i agree with you totaly
celadon ......what?

Dadof2-
do you look at pictures/paintings and webpictures of consenting males?
if you do-what do you feel and if you dont-why not?