objectification!

[dadof2ofthem]

ok, this is a serious question
i was talking to a female friend of mine recently, she's educated and emancipated etc, i said "i dont get the 'objectification' argument, i've never once been aroused by an object"

she laughed and told me "it's object as apposed to subject " "ahhhh" i said as though it had just dawned on me what she ment.

if your objective your inpartial, well thats my understanding anyway, and subjective meants your subject to some other force , influencing your opinion.

maybe one of you can fill the gaps for me ?

dadof2: sorry - I realise my last post was a bit off topic so I'll come back to the porn issue.

Whether you agree with our objectifications to porn is actually besides the point. The point is that we do object and yet you continue to watch it. We are women after all and we know what objectifies us and what doesn't.

I'm trying to think of a comparable example for men: if there was an activity that I enjoyed which involved men being paid for my gratification, but I knew that there were sizeable numbers of men all over the world who objected to it and wanted me to stop, would I be able to continue with that activity? I don't think I could....

as for gender ascribed toys in infancy, i wasnt looking for the conclusion i drew, infact it supried me , they both just went automaticaly ofr boyish toys, i thought 'wow it's really stamped on their DNA , i havent done this to them' but i suppose it wasnt an experiment that would stand up to much scrutity, in fact it wasnt an experiment attall.
joaninha it's just nice to be beautiful male or female , thats all, not a requirement.
misterDarsey i'm sorry if you think i'm wasting yours and others time , i wanted to have the conversation about objectification, it just evolved into this .
herBeX am i looking for excuses , loopholes .....maybe , i'm convinced that the images i look at are harmless , well, allmost convinced. it really doesnt supprise me that there is explotation out there , i'm sure the hardcore film your talking about will be very sobering, but i have never liked mainstream porn, american pornographers dont seem to have a clue as to what consitutes erotica, peroxide blonde/pubeless/silicone women have never been my vice i promise you.

if your so against it herBeX then i can assume your also against male strippers? porn that is made by women for women, ( by wife got a free DVD through a dutch womans magazine called the 'viva' a while back) and the chipendales?

celadon i live in holland and my wife is dutch, saunas are mixed and nude here and they really dont attract the long overcoat brigade, we went regularly together, it takes more than naked imagry to shock my wife .
but....if i'm honest, it isnt in her face i dont tell her "excuse me darling , just going to consume some porn".

You sound quite shallow with your beautiful comments. I think it's quite possibly a good thing you don't have a daughter.

Does your wife participate in porn watching? Does she have an opinion on porn?

you can conclude that i'm shallow from me saying 'it's nice to be beautiful'if you like .

no she doesnt

It isn't innate that boys play with cars and girls play with dolls.

Porn is totally objectifying, the woman is there purely for your self-gratification. Not only is she likely to have been coerced into doing it, but it damages society. It makes sex about you and continues with the long tradition of women fulfilling men's needs.

What the fuck has being beautiful got to do with being a lawyer or doctor?
Will you encourage your sons to be beautiful doctors and beautiful lawyers?

It's good that you are thinking about this subject, but you need to listen to what answers your questions are receiving.

I am against porn and the sex industry but that doesn't mean nude imagery shocks me, it saddens me.

I personally find it odd that your wife has no opinion on porn. Dont you talk about it with her? Dont you ask her the questions you have asked us? I know my husbands views on porn, I know that he has watched it in the past and I know that he does not use it now. If he felt the need to use porn that would be a problem for me.

timewasting

oh for crying out loud

is this yet another thread where dadof gets to inform us all about his use of dubious material? In more detail this time ? Lovely.

How long 'til we get the intimate details of how he pleasures himself while doing it ?

I can't wait, personally

like Alice said, this poster was banned for doing just that, probably best not to engage him in more of the same

just because he started the thread this time, doesn't confer any more respect for the rubbish he spouts

he will be knocking one out right now

I don't really know why you're comparing the Chippendales to porn

They are just oiled gay dancers aren't they? Women don't sit there wanking to them, they scream and laugh at them. That's not quite the same response - women find the chippendales funny don't they, in a camp way? Porn isn't supposed to make you laugh it's supposed to make you wank.

oh is tht what he does AF?

LilBB what do you think of nude imagery that isnt pornographic? does that also sadden you?

as for my wifes opinion, i could go into detail but last time i went down this road i was slaughterd in the thread and ended up getting banned, so i figure i better stay away there . if your really interested i will im you.

it is what he has been banned for doing, HB

I hope he doesn't spend his whole life doing it, but who knows ?

pity the wife

offers to inbox people

you are branching out dadof

i'm sure my wife doesnt need your pity anyf, she is an independant and educated woman

It depends on the image and the reason for it. I have seen something on a documentary where women who have body images have tasteful nude photographs done that seemed very empowering. I have seen an art piece that was photographs of lots of nude people who have normal bodies. If it's done to educate people about what a normal body looks like, that everyone is beautiful even if they aren't 'perfect' then that's good too. If the nude photograph is not for sexual gratification or is done for a good reason then I dont have a problem with it.

Please done im me the details that got you banned.

what do you think of nude imagery that isnt pornographic? does that also sadden you?

what's a bit sad is that some people will objectify any nude imagery ... thinking back to the nuffield science text book I came across once, the picture of human bodies carefully folded to hide the male, with stains on it.... part funny, part gross but a bit sad too.

*don't

anyf are you seriously suggesting i'm getting my thrills out of this thread? OMG! what is wrong with you!

I would ask you the same question

Except I know the answer

just wanted to know where you stood on that LilBB , dont listen to anyf she spouts insults and lets her brains fly out without thinking

Most of us are well-acquainted with AF dadof2, don't worry your pretty little head.