Was Bristol Palin raped?

[darleneoconnor]

according to this bristol palin was so drunk when she conceived her son that she doesn't remember having sex.

Sounds like rape to me.

Then she was basically 'forced' to marry her rapist? WTF! Sometimes America sounds more like the middle east!

Quite a few forums are discussing this, with some

disgusting rape myths on this forum

I thought the law changed, you will have to forgive me if not because I don't live in the uk anymore so it's sometimes hard to keep track. I went by the rape crisis uk website where it specifically states the law as in my previous post.

Knackered and off to bed now but will catch up on the thread in the am, so not ignoring any further posts deliberately, it's late here

One thing we could do is insist on anonymity of all accused people for all crimes (not just rape, because that implies that rape has more false allegations than other crimes, which isn't true and perpetuates other harmful rape myths).

But her version of events are that she can't remember, rather than she didn't consent. If I'm right, UK law is about too drunk to consent, not too drunk to remember consenting

What should we do about all the women who were given Rohypnol and other date rape drugs? They don't remember what happened and whether they gave consent, but generally it is assumed that they didn't. Are there lots of innocent men in jail that should be freed?

That's probably true SGM. I'm hoping that posters on this board at least would at least accept that just because a victim doesn't remember what happened due to Rohypnol, doesn't mean they weren't raped.

You cant stop teens or people drinking too much in both genders. And drunk people will have sex. And most of te time its not rape.
Of course rape hapoens while pissed but most of the time its just how it is. Not rape. Ive seen blokes unable to rememebr or regretful too Have none of you been to festivals?

I'm hoping that posters on this board at least would at least accept that we know nothing about Bristol and Levi apart from her book plug and shouldn't therefore accuse anyone of anything.

Quite Hully.

As sunshine said upthread, in an adversarial system we are forced to chose between believing the victim or not. I'd tend to believe the victim unless she has been discredited because the evidence shows that victims rarely lie.

I agree. Karma. However, that is not the case here.

Why, has the victim been discredited in this case? Is there evidence of her lying about this sort of thing before?

Is there a victim? She has never claimed rape.

Neither. She told US Weekly she got pissed and lost her virginity.

Later, in her book, she said she got drunk and woke up remembering nothing.

Pick a version and choose whether to believe/disbelieve if you want to. I choose to do neither.

The two versions aren't necessarily inconsistent. She may not remember losing her virginity but put two and two together from the physical evidence or may be going on what he told her. Both versions could be true.

They could.

It doesn't change the fact we don't know.

I think I am going to agree to differ as we seem to be going round and round in circles.

I dont think these are contridictory versions.

I believe what people say unless I have some reason not to. He isn't coming out denying this is he?

He has a book coming out later this year. He may well deny it then.

What? On MN? I doubt he knows it exists.

There is a weird misconception being repeated on here that drunk women cannot consent to sex. It simply isn't true in legal or practical terms.

It is possible to consent to sex and then forget about it. It's not rape.

Also, Bristol doesn't say that she regretted losing her virginity in this way! She might later call it rape, but she might equally say she is glad to have got it over with! We don't know.

Not all men who have sex with drunk women are rapists - that's just ridiculous and half of us probably wouldn't be here today if they were, or our fathers would be in prison

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