Was Bristol Palin raped?

[darleneoconnor]

according to this bristol palin was so drunk when she conceived her son that she doesn't remember having sex.

Sounds like rape to me.

Then she was basically 'forced' to marry her rapist? WTF! Sometimes America sounds more like the middle east!

Quite a few forums are discussing this, with some

disgusting rape myths on this forum

And we were all there to witness Levi forcing the alcohol down Bristols throat were we not?

FFS.

Yes reading the account in the book anyone who thinks she gave informed consent really must hate women and girls.

Is she lying reeling?

He kept putting drinks in her hand, even though she didn't normally drink. No, he didn't put a gun to her head and force her to drink it, but he clearly wanted to get her to drink. Why was that I wonder? And, knowing that she didn't drink and would therefore be more susceptible to alcohol, he would know that any out-of-character behaviour he took advantage of would be exploitative. If that was my DS, I'd be deeply, deeply ashamed.

I say again, Nice guy!

I have no idea whether she is lying or not.
I have not heard both sides of the story.
I am not on the jury.

Karma - that's a tremendous leap of faith you are making there, and a dreadful judgement on people who are prepared to accept as truth all that they read.

Dittany,can i ask you a genuine question?

Do you think families do need fathers?

And i'm not looking for reasons why they don't but reasons you might think that they do.

Sorry to CP this but would you tell me your thoughts on this?

That was my question.

Just answer the question Dittany.

Yes or No.

Given that 60% of NRPs don't pay maintenance, I'd say that more than half of families where the parents are separated probably don't need that particular father actually. Even men on benefits are considered able to pay a nominal £5 a week, so they can't be pleading poverty - it's simply that they don't want to pay. Any man who deliberately witholds financial support for a child they created is not a man who has that child's best interests at heart.

I'd also agree that any woman who deliberately excludes a decent father from being a part of that child's life, is also not putting that child's best interests at heart. However, how many women do that to the 40% of separated fathers who do pay maintenance?

They exist sure, no one is denying that, but the incidence is small in comparison to the numbers of fathers who pay no maintenance, abuse their ex-partners and let down their children.

Of course it is but there is a really tiny chance that she's lying that barely is worth mentioning. When people review autobiographies do they always repeatedly make the point the writer might be lying? I've seen that before but happy for you to point it out to me.

Why do you think it's a gotcha?

Why do you seem to say that all men/boys are liars and that all women/girls tell the truth.

*Never seen it

Karam - is that to me? if so not sure what it is I am needing to be pointing out to you. I indicate to believe one account of a teenage drunken incident wholey, when you don't know the people involved and then say if you don't buy it all you must be a hater of women and children is way out of proportion and sense. But I may have read you wrong?

Pan, of course people shouldn't take everything they read to be true, but Bristols account of what happened that night has received far more scrutiny on this thread than most autobiographies would. Generally when women talk about their experiences of non consensual sex they are disbelieved and every attempt is made to destroy their account. Women know this and that is why they don't report rapes and sexual assaults. The feminist position has to be to believe these women because almost certainly they really are telling the truth.