Was Bristol Palin raped?

[darleneoconnor]

according to this bristol palin was so drunk when she conceived her son that she doesn't remember having sex.

Sounds like rape to me.

Then she was basically 'forced' to marry her rapist? WTF! Sometimes America sounds more like the middle east!

Quite a few forums are discussing this, with some

disgusting rape myths on this forum

But you comment on women who "turn their kids against their other parent"... which is the basic description of PAS.

Some parents do try and turn their children against the other parent.

Men and women.

findnofun, I just noticed your initials... slightly

Yes, it happens. But FNF imply that ALL women who try to withdraw contact are doint this as a means of turning the child against the other parent.

but those "with their own agenda" (I suspect you mean Dittany) provided links to FNF's own page... That's hardly biased...

And why pay a subscription to a charity when you don't know the writings of their most misogynistic work. I'm sorry, but if I subscribed to a charity, I'd want to be sure it didn't clash with my beliefs

Ti e to hide this thread methinks

Just read this again, from their website...

". Our immediate priorities are getting courts orders for shared residence, improvements in the time children are allowed to spend with their 'second parent', more effective action taken when one parent defies a court order requiring them to allow their children a relationship with the other parent, and replacing adversarial court hearings over children-matters with child-centred discussion. "

Their priority is making sure BOTH parents get access, and helping parents when the other parent tries to stop access.

www.fnf.org.uk/about-us/aims-and-objectives
Funnily enough, nothing on the website says "we put children's safety before access"... Unless I really am illiterate, and misread it. Nope, they want to protect children from the "harm" of losing a relationship with one parent, not from the harm of being abused, or seeing one of their parents abused...

HRH, I'm not a speed reader, but I managed to read it... Try... It'll help form your opinion

Go back and read Dittany's link. FNF make it quite clear they think a) women lie about abuse. b) women's aid encourage women to report things which aren't abuse as abuse, and c) that abusers should still have access, albeit supervised. But please. Don't take any notice of the evidence.

The courts already give abusive men access. I've even seen it first hand, through my own experience whilst living in refuges. I've seen a convicted sex offender granted contact. I've seen a woman's violent ex husband retain custody of her DC. So don't tell me violent men don't get access, or that FNF are aiming for LESS rights for these men...

Ace debating, folks - don't get anywhere with the OP? Attack one poster on a complete tangent until you get to 'win'.

Likewise, I'm not denying that innocent men lose access to their children. But I've yet to come accross such a scenario. But. As I mentioned before. The name AND objectives of the charity bother me. "Families Need Fathers"? No. Families NEED Responsible, loving parents, and the child needs to be put first. Before any petty fall outs between parents, and definitely before any abusive parent. I'm sorry, but that's not the vibe I'm getting from FNF. At all.

What relevance does HRH's chosen charities have to this thread, other than providing an opportunity for people to have a go?

I didn't accuse you of denying it, but you implied FNF would not allow it to happen. I'm sorry, but like that link says (when you read between the lines), they're domestic abuse apologisers. And that's their own words...

Where the flip did I say that?

I give up...