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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

class/social standing and Feminism

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sparky159 · 28/08/2010 14:16

is there a place for working class people in Feminism?
ill answer my own post to as why im asking this.

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MillyR · 29/08/2010 00:01

Sunny, I have to go, but I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that because people you know can pay their mortgage and go to Tenerife, that the entire banking collapse was an elaborate ruse in which they made up a lie when they said that large numbers of low income workers had defaulted on their agreements, and are you also saying that people on minimum wage who can't take their kids to Tenerife are just disorganised?

MillyR · 29/08/2010 00:03

Also, if you have £150k mortgage you have a £150k debt! It makes no sense to say people with a mortgage have no debts. I personally would never take out a £150k debt.

sunny2010 · 29/08/2010 00:05

No I am just saying many, many people are paying mortgages on 100k + on 20kish. They arent all losing their houses. I realise some are but 35k is way above average wage. I dont know about 4 people ona wage that high but most people I know have a property, and most of my peer group bought in the last 8 years.
My mortgage is peanuts its only £330 a month. It was only £400 when I got it. Even if the mortgage rate goes up condiderably it still wont be as bad as renting. Its way cheaper than renting even if you are on the minimum wage as a place to rent round here would be £600ish.

I think its silly to say people are poor on 35k as that is way more than the average uk wage.

wukter · 29/08/2010 00:17

Very good point about marriage = mc respectability. Very true.

swallowedAfly · 29/08/2010 00:18

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MillyR · 29/08/2010 00:20

I didn't say it was poor - it is in fact more than the salary of most primary schools teachers, public sector workers and nurses, which is the point I originally made and you seemed to be disputing.

Tortington · 29/08/2010 00:21

you have to have 25% of the house price as a deposit - it matters not whether you can afford to pay it

but not (assuming 100k) a lot of people have a spare 25k laying about

MillyR · 29/08/2010 00:24

Sorry, meant voluntary sector not public sector workers. I would not like to get into a debate on public sector pay!

Janos · 29/08/2010 00:30

"Very good point about marriage = mc respectability. Very true"

Agree here too.

I am middle class (good)

Single mum (not good)

I work (good or not? Hmmm)

I work in a low paid admin job.

Where do I fit?

swallowedAfly · 29/08/2010 00:32

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Tortington · 29/08/2010 00:33

but marriage is surely a legal contract regarding assets

that doesn't matter so much if you have shit all Grin

Janos · 29/08/2010 00:34

I'm not seriously concerned about it SAF :)

Tortington · 29/08/2010 00:34

unless its pin money for the boden sale janos - becuase you are asset rich but cash poor Wink

wukter · 29/08/2010 00:36

How would it work for a man in a low paid wc job married to a solicitor (say)?

Janos · 29/08/2010 00:37

What's boden?

Grin
swallowedAfly · 29/08/2010 00:37

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wukter · 29/08/2010 00:39

'mutate' Grin

swallowedAfly · 29/08/2010 00:39

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Janos · 29/08/2010 00:39

Underclass? Ace!

That will give me some serious credentials socialist-wise.

swallowedAfly · 29/08/2010 00:40

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Janos · 29/08/2010 00:41

I wish SAF..I work to pay bills and feed me and DS!

swallowedAfly · 29/08/2010 00:45

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IfGraceAsks · 29/08/2010 00:46

I do love Milly's posts.

This is an extraordinarily British thread, isn't it? Debating the finer points of what class means, and which class(es) we each belong to Grin

I worked in advertising/media. The standard job-based scale of A,B,C1,C2,D,E is still used but rarely on its own - it's about 70 years old. The industry uses blended methods, which are sophisticated and very good at reflecting consumer groups as we define them culturally. What I mean is, there's no statistical model called a "Yummy Mummy" but she can be very accurately identified used blended targeting. Until now, the biggest 'tell' was a person's preferred newspaper. Now people aren't reading paper any more, there's a bit of a scrum to construct a workable online equivalent.

All of which is to say, 'class' is a major red herring. You can discuss it till this thread blows up, but the fact is we all know what it means - well enough. Like some others here, I'm very class-mobile and suspect this comes from having a posh mum and a chav dad. I can convincingly "be" any British class except aristocrat and bottom class (as an aside, those two groups share many social & language quirks). I'm currently living in Nowhere on benefits: I look, behave & live the way my neighbours do - it's quick & cheap. The women & girls on my street do not live like anybody in "Mumsnet" land as sold to advertisers. They're stressed, pregnant and struggling. They have health problems. Their electricity gets cut off. There are multiple children per bedroom and only one bathroom, which is downstairs next to the kitchen. There is less than one car per household.

I think everybody here actually understands this; the thread's got hung up on what class means because ... ?

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