Traps For Women & Girls

[ElephantsAndMiasmas]

I've been thinking about how a lot of the time it is impossible for a woman to win when it comes to choices.

For example, it seems that everyone is very keen for mothers to stay at home, especially those with small children (should say that this is second hand, I have no DC yet). Public opinion, childcare costs, media etc all make clear that that is the right choice.

And yet when they do they become expected to do all the housework (even at weekends), vulnerable to charges of being lazy, "ladies who lunch", overprotective etc.

And if they work part-time they are often seen as uncommitted at work, and still have all the downsides of being SAHM.

Or if you wear make-up and heels some people will judge you as a bimbo, but if you wear a t-shirt and jeans and trainers, then you are probably depressed or a lesbian (nothing wrong with being gay, just a stupid judgement to make on appearance alone) or not making "enough" effort.

Was wondering if anyone else had examples of being caught in these kind of traps?

leningrad you can come across as snipy and high-handed.do you speak for said others?

oh well, since you ask, she can speak for me. how smug exactly? high-handed, i take it, because she thinks you're rude and you think you're not? (but you must know that you are being rude, surely?)

anyway, smug how?

enough i said/you said digressions. i read stuff like op and i just think how depressing and fatalistic.the emotive hyperbole of "trapped",the presumptions that women cannot win when it comes to their choices.

I actually do sometimes want to moan and someone say poor you, because while at a societal level we can change the future, on a personal level what has already happened cannot be changed.

it's never a poor us thread. you acknowledge that inequality exists, so does the OP. question is, what can be done to help the generation coming?

you can get out of a trap, you do know that don't you? it's not a fait accompli.

sentiments like trapped,emasculate women,strip any notion of up and out,societal change.smacks of grinds you down the system does. i dont recognise such descriptors i really dont

aitch,i see we concur no it isnt fait accompli as i have said.all this grinding about male power,trapped women,and systemic inequality makes it read like inevitable and when it was said what about rise up etc.that was slapped down as too simplisitc/individualistic. someone said we can challenge and the put down was they were glib.and then humph wee faces about a notion of rise up

yes

dittany I am saying fight back,all the its inevitable we are fucked by system/men/inequalities.is so damn defeatist.and theme on this thread appears to have been what is the point fighting.allegedly majority girls cannot deflect societal messages,nor can parents

I am saying dont accept that shitty label of nothing we can do

so defeatist

er, no, beertricks said if we don't rise above it then we are underneath. it was glib.

i'm more for rising up than rising above in any case...

dittany are you being obtuse.obviously no one is talking.we are strangers battering out a topic on a pc online.i could equally ask whom do you think you are talking to when you post

you do love your labels.why do you opine about anti-feminists.does that mean i dont concur with you.how very passive aggressive and illiberal to identify and label divergence as "anti feminist"

I have never been aware of any such traps and I have been around the block a few times

who made you label master.did germaine drop the crown