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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is it easier to be a feminist if you are a lesbian?

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PosieParker · 18/08/2010 09:54

Or are there really men out there that hold feminist values dear too?

Last night my DH said he called someone at work a 'pussy', I nearly choked on my food, since when is such language okay? Whilst my DH can be quite laddish and very far from feminist values I was attracted to him because he's quite masculine. I often wonder whether a more progressive and less Neanderthal man would get my attention or whether I'd find him to emasculated?

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swallowedAfly · 21/08/2010 14:10

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Sakura · 21/08/2010 14:13

but the higher rate of placenta praevia (when the placenta grows over the cervix, and can be fatal for the mother) is because the egg didn't stick in the right place in the lining of the womb. The fertilized egg stuck lower down in the womb, next to the cervix

There is a higher incidence of this complication in IVF

The other reason I don't like all this is because doctors are beginning to lump women who conceived naturally and IVF women together and putting ALL women in the "at risk" bracket, which is not good for women and smacks of control

Sammyuni · 21/08/2010 14:14

I meant sperm donations, and like you said the success rate is not all that high and it's expensive.

nooka · 21/08/2010 17:30

I that really so sAf? How fantatsic. I recall ds when small being glued to a bit of film in the Natural History Museum which was all about the race of the sperm to get to the egg and burrow it's way in (he didn't pick up it was a loop). I love the idea that it might be the other way around, although I thought that healthy sperm had wigglier tails as part of the whole survival of the fittest thing?

I have to say I've never fancied Jonny Depp. Way too small and pretty for me. In movies I only really find tall, dark and hairy men of interest, ideally going though fairly tragic circumstances or otherwise mysteriously unhappy or pensive. So Aragorn (but not Viggo).

dh likes Jonny Depp. In fact if either of us were homosexually orientated it would be him really.

nooka · 21/08/2010 17:35

When I was a kid we had two lesbians come and stay with us for a while. One was big and butch like (to me anyway, I found her a bit scary) and the other was slight and feminine (I can't actually remember her so much). I would have been maybe 8 or 9 perhaps. My mother explained lesbianism to me in a totally rejecting men type of way, along the we are all on a gay-straight spectrum but some people have had bad experiences with men and chosen women instead. Her views on sex were very negative, I'm not sure she thought it could be enjoyable, and I don't think she actually fancied my father at all although she obviously loved/loves him very much.

swallowedAfly · 21/08/2010 18:19

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Sakura · 22/08/2010 11:28

saF, I know the argument you're talking about, it's in Greer's The Whole WOman, and of course it's absolutely true

But you're talking about something different to me.

YOu're talking about the fertilization process

I'm talking about the egg sticking on the lining of the womb, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the sperm.
BUt if the egg happens to be very low in the cervix as it often is in the case of IVF, the chances of it attatching itself in the area around the cervix is higher.
The place where the attaches itself to the lining of the womb is the place where the placenta begins to grow.

In placenta praevia it literally grows over the cervix.

Considering the fertility industry is capitalist driven there's no reason for us to doubt the figures of higher incidences of placenta praevia in IVF. In fact, I should imagine the complications of IVF are massively downplaid

Sakura · 22/08/2010 11:33

although I realize I did mention "shooting" but I think I was confusing that with a sneeze

or something

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