So it would appear this topic is the Millwall of Mumsnet

[GothAnneGeddes]

Nobody likes us and we don't care.

I have to admit I lurk more then I post here, but to me, it's great being able to have everyday things discussed through a feminist lens, especially as most feminist websites are so US-centric.

It's just such a shame that so many women don't think that feminism is relevant to them. I just don't understand it.

Much like the SN topic then silverfrog. Imagine if I went in there when I know fuck all about it as I've been told twice on this thread. I'd get my head kicked in verbally

swallowed a fly - yes, i understand that position.

but no-one has argued against frustration in that instance.

most of the posters saying they cannot contribute as they feel they would be hounded out appear to be posters who want to genuinely contribute. can you not see that, given the number of people who said the same thing, there might be an issue?

Silverfrog, no, I don't think that. I think that theBossofme and nancydrewrocked had some important points to make, and although I don't know anything about NDR, I think TBOM has had a really interesting perspective on other threads.

But I do think most of this thread has been about the care plan people, and I don't think many of them are genuinely interested in any feminism section - they have just come to debate their one issue and go.

I don't think there is anything wrong with not liking the style of this section. There are other feminist discussion areas to go to- no doubt I'll change to another one at some point. But to find the right board as a feminist, you have to actually be interested in the rights of women.

ladybiscuit - I can pretty much assure you that you would not get a verbal kicking on SN if you post there with a genuine query.

you may well have been told you know fuck all about SN on this thread - perhaps that is the way you have come across

try it - you said you had a question you wanted to ask.

(unless the question is of the "all SN children should not be in MS - discuss" variety)

Silverfrog, you are still going on about people being hounded off, while almost the entire discussion on that thread has been for some time, about disability rights. It is actually people like me who haven't been posting on it for two days.

milly - you are still going on about one thread.

I (and others who posted near the beginning of this thread, i assume) am talking about the whole topic

Ironically that is what my question is about - not about mainstream schooling but about my nephew and how wise it is for my sister (ironically who is on DLA) to be pushing him to do the 11+. I am scared for him but I really cannot cope with being told that I have no understanding and being shouted at about my ignorance.

There seems to be one argument on the thread in SN about this thread (very bad form incidentally) where people are saying that people with LD should be given the opportunity to exercise their own free will and yet I'm being told on this one that I can't possibly expect a child with LD to exercise any moral judgement. On both, the same people are nodding along in disagreement. I don't get it. Maybe I'm thick but surely those POVs contradict one another?

Yes, but if you look at this thread, it has also been dominated by people from the care plan thread.

And in fact on ISNT's thread where she way talking about leaving because of derailment, lots of people came on and said they had lurked and really liked this section.

So, yes, you can't please all of the people all of the time.

nancydrewrocked, I haven't read all the thread but i just wanted to say that i remember your encounter with dittany and i also remember thinking at the time that you had wimped out rather. clearly you had a lot of interesting stuff to say, and as a lawyer i'm sure it wasn't outwith your capabilities to express yourself in a way that the thread readers would have found interesting and been able to make their own minds up as to whether someone who defends violent men can be a feminist... so i kinda thought you threw your toys out of the pram because you bumped up against someone who was saying things you didn't like.

so basically, i have some sympathy with SGB's earlier point that the people on here complaining about being excluded or whatever are just miffed at having been strongly disagreed with.

I'm another one who lurks here but has never posted in this section before.

I think it is amazing - I'm glad there are posters with strong opinions who won't be derailed - it has opened my mind so much. I don't agree with everything that is said but I love the fact that there are serious, robust arguments here.

Tortoise's post earlier about the way women "frame" arguments and Chibi's post about an "ideal discussion" again made me look at things differently.

Keep up the good work, I say!!!

Thanks SMK. I am really, really worried about him so I will throw myself to the lions . It's a very Delicate issue.

Lenin - I'm coming to join you at the bar. Do you want a rollie?