I think I might call this a day

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I just feel so miserable that we are not able to actually discuess women's rights, on the women's rights section, seemingly ever.

All we ever talk about is men and I'm just really fucked off and bored with it. I feel like people just keep coming and stamping on my head.

Good post SGM.

mn has gone a bit hysterical,squawking troll and derailment a bitty too often

people disagree

suck it up

so you advocate censorship to prevent a divergent view

behave

really,it isnt very intellectually rigorous to need exclusions and ring fenced space in case someone mentions men

interestingly you say "the only way to have the conversations we wanted".smacks of toe the line,wimmins ishoos.no divergent opinion

and cannot discuss feminnism without discussing and acknowledging men.given they are our collegues,brothers,partners.we dont live ina female only commune.so we impact upon men,men impact upon us

and what inhibited robust rebuttal of said trolls

post personal stuff on internet with caution.no one can corroborate anyone authenticity or motives for participating

But not everyone's always capable of/in the mood for "robust rebuttal", sometimes people just want to talk SM. People are on here saying "well, get over yourselves and stop talking about derailing, it's a public board." Well, SF's is a private board. What's the problem with that? Should private conversations/debates/clubs be avoided in RL too? Instead of talking quietly to my friends about an issue should I be prepared to take to the airwaves about it, or stand on a soapbox in the middle of town? Why should people who are talking about their own personal traumas and experiences be expected to conform to standards of peer-reviewed "intellectual rigour"? - this isn't a university.

in rl people seek out like minded folk.is called friendship

on internet no one is your friend,anyone can post

That's true, but it sounds like SF is trying to create a safe space where people can be as confident as possible in the circ's that they won't be abused or stalked or personally attacked, or have information they use posted against them.

internet is most certainly not safe space.cannot corroborate anything.so to assume safe to disclose trauma is erroneous

You talk like a robot, SM but you are basically right. Still in the absence of other ways of getting in touch with feminists from other locations, it is all there is. Plus avoiding personal details etc is pretty easy.

and some of you are beguiled by faux familiarity and assumed safety

are there reds under the beds SM?

yes,measured risk taking is way to go.

People are far too triggerhappy with that what about the menz sneer.
Often it's entirely justified to ask that question. We only come in two flavours, if you are discussing gender issues men are basically our control group. Try discussing Night without mentioning day, or Summer without Winter.
It's not gender based discrimination/misogyny if it happens to men too, (albeit the differences in manifestation are illuminating.) It's anti- something- ism, not neccessarily anti-woman. If the root is what we are looking for we ought to explore all avenues til we find it not dismiss it because a newcomer has asked a perfectly valid question, regardless of who is annoyed at hearing it asked.

"It's not gender based discrimination/misogyny if it happens to men too" - sorry wukter but IMHO as a generalisation that is bollocks, because if something happens to e.g. 70% of women, but only 5% of men, there is clearly a strong correlation with gender.

If something happens equally to both sexes then of course it's not a gender issue, although as you say gender might play a role in experience as well.

But I do think that whataboutthemen? gets slightly overused. It's not wrong IMO to question how something affects men. It's maddening however when we're supposed to forget something because X happens to men too. For example rape as a weapon of war. Some men get raped during wars, but the wholesale rape of women and girls during conflicts is well known. For some posters it's inappropriate to talk about this as a gender issue because some men are also affected.

I am not saying forget about issues which affect women, but I do think it's helpful to compare and contrast, I suppose. Esp when there is an overlap. I understand how that can be frustrating, but it may just add to understanding root causes in some circumstances.

off top of my head only exclusive womens issues i can think of are episiotomy,womb prolapse.

everything else is pretty much everyone issue

i hate this notion certain issues are womens issues,see this in politics the female mp get herded into childcare,bit health, wimmins issues.as if automatically female remit