I think I might call this a day

[ISNT]

I just feel so miserable that we are not able to actually discuess women's rights, on the women's rights section, seemingly ever.

All we ever talk about is men and I'm just really fucked off and bored with it. I feel like people just keep coming and stamping on my head.

Another 1 of the 20 lurkers per poster here to cheer....

Btw, the trafficked British girls - wasn't there a panorama program on it a while back - maybe a year or so. It was utterly shocking.

I think this is one of the,not "problems"because that isn't quite the right word,but I'm not sure what the right word is,with MN.

In RL I can go for ages without meeting someone I can talk to about some of the things I care about,let alone someone who will engage in heated debate about them - but here it is possible to have that sort of discussion at the drop of a hat.Which is fantastic,and a good thing - but also hard work/demanding/upsetting/whatever/depending on the subject,especially factoring in the lottery as to who will appear to "discuss" with you.
If you don't have the self control to just switch off and go away it is more relentless in some ways than RL,all those posters being passionate about stuff 24/7(not to mention all those posters not getting what you are trying to say 24/7!)

(disclaimer - I expect some people's RL is like that,but not mine!)

Not sure I'm making any sense here - so will echo Sakura,and say chin up, ISNT....

I totally agree with SWC and ScottishMummy

There has developed an acceptable 'way of thinking' on this topic, driven by a small number of posters. I happen not to agree with a lot of the posts, and think they do not help feminism (despite their intention), and ironically hinder feminism in many ways.

Sorry c&p from the other thread, but relevant here & I really want to know what you think:
"Why be put off? If you think a wider debate is lacking, why wait for someone else to have it for you? Participating will broaden the debate. Refusing to post because someone once disagreed with you isn't doing much to contribute is it?"

ISNT don't leave I like your posts.

I don't get all this moaning about there being one way to think. Put forward your views and see if they stand up to debate.

all this boo hoo we are being derailed.i simply cant participate is churlish.on a discursive forum people can discuss anything they want.whether you like it or not.chicking in the metaphorical towel isnt the way either

Yep posters can discuss whatever they want. I care not.

Silly to avoid a topic because people think there is only one accepted way to post.

Look, all those of you who are whining that you get 'told there is only one way to post' in the Feminism topic - do you never normally stray out of style and beauty or something? Because if you want an explosive, headspinning ruck, just try posting that you are going to FF from choice, or put your baby in nurseyr5 days a week cos you love your job so much. Being told that you're wrong WRT some of your opinions won't kill you. It might change your mind. Or if you can state your case sensibly without snivelling and calling for your mummy/lawyer/hubby to come to your rescue, you might even change the other person's mind.

discursive forum,state your opinion,accept some verbosity and dont whine about derailment.derailment to me reads as boo hoo no one agrees with widdle me

I don't know if you are addressing me SGB. I am saying to people POST. Stop going on about a perceived style here.

I am saying need to moan about it, post.

Anyway I don't find Dittany et al 'militant' or whatever. Just a feminist. Probably as it was the norm in humanities academics 10 years ago.

no need to moan of course

I don't post much just because you mainly do have a preserve. which is fine, but it is not rare to be told "go away that's not under discussion here". so I have largely gone away. I don't think it makes sense for you to want to give up . it would definitely be a sign that you need to join a spare rib type forum where that sort of discussion, probably quite exclusive in tone, might be more readily available.

Everybody barges everywhere here, it would be rude in real life but it comes with the territory here. heat.. kitchen etc. stick it out isn't. freedom of speech and all that.

I don't post much just because you mainly do have a preserve. which is fine, but it is not rare to be told "go away that's not under discussion here". so I have largely gone away. I don't think it makes sense for you to want to give up . it would definitely be a sign that you need to join a spare rib type forum where that sort of discussion, probably quite exclusive in tone, might be more readily available.

Everybody barges everywhere here, it would be rude in real life but it comes with the territory here. heat.. kitchen etc. stick it out isn't. freedom of speech and all that.

Agree with scottishmummy about this derailment thing.

No one person can control the conversation on an open internet forum, if you want to you need to set up your own private forum mouldies stylee.

It seems to me that accusations of derailment are now starting to be used when someone wants to control the discussion and silence dissenting opinions.

oh yawn lemonmuffin, have a look at the Kate Smurthwaite thread and see if one poster can't take over a thread.

And I don't mind/care if people come on and say "actually I think X affects men too, in that a,b &c". It's happened before lots of times and mostly if it's explained posters here will agree, maybe change their viewpoint. It's when people use it as a silencing technique. So they say "but why are you complaining about low pay for women, when men suffer low pay too?" i.e. shut up about the pay gap, sort out men first then you can think about women, if you're lucky.

a lot of you misconstrue things not going your way as derailment.no not at all.is your chain of thought so easily distracted or ability to debate so shakeable that derailment is a threat to any topic

why cant you just acknowledge alleged derailment and continue as you wish

SGM where are you from i am guessing America or Australia?

how much is by and large?is it bigger than a lot?bigger than a bread basket

unless we are derailed and someone whimsy shouts troll