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War and Peace Readalong thread 2022 - thread 2

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VikingNorthUtsire · 27/02/2022 19:10

"The finest novel ever written on this planet"
"Here is a novel that is worth whatever time one gives to it. There is more life between its cover than in any other existent fictional narrative"

This is a really helpful blog post by someone who has done the challenge: nicksenger.com/onecatholiclife/announcing-the-2020-war-and-peace-chapter-a-day-read-along

  1. Translations

The main complication seems to be which edition to choose. The blog post above contains some commentary of the different tranlsations that are available and their merits. There's also a pretty comprehensive guide here including samples from some of the best-known translations: welovetranslations.com/2021/08/31/whats-the-best-translation-of-war-and-peace-by-tolstoy/

The main differences that I can see are:

  • some editions (including the free download on Project Gutenburg) have a different chapter structure. I think/hope we would manage to find one another if some are reading versions with more or fewer chapters but I have based the readalong on the versions with 361 chapters.
  • there's quite a lot of French in at least some parts of the book. Some editions translate it into English, others keep it in French but use footnotes
  • some translators have chosen to anglicise the characters' names. I guess its personal preference whether you prefer Mary, Andrew and Basil or a more Russian version.

Looking at the editions recommended and reviewed in the above blog:

The Vintage Classics edition, translated by Pevear and Volokhonsky: www.amazon.co.uk/War-Peace-Vintage-Classics-Tolstoy/dp/0099512246/?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

NB also this link for the kindle version: www.amazon.co.uk/War-Peace-Vintage-Classic-Russians-ebook/dp/B005CUS9AG/?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

The Signet Classics edition, translated by Anne Dunnigan: www.amazon.co.uk/War-Peace-Signet-Classics-Tolstoy-ebook/dp/B001RWQVXA/?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

The Penguin Classics edition, translated by Anthony Briggs: www.amazon.co.uk/War-Peace-Penguin-Popular-Classics-ebook/dp/B0033805UG/?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

As a general rule I would definitely recommend downloading a sample of any kindle edition before buying, so you can be sure that you are happy with it.

Obviously, some people will prefer to avoid Amazon! Feel free to use the weeks in the run-up to Day 1 to share any tips on what you are buying and where from. Can I suggest though that we stick where possible to the editions with 361 chapters otherwise we will all get very confused!

  1. Reading timeline

Nick, of the blog post, has very helpfully done the calculations for which chapters fall on which days, except he did it in 2020 which was a Leap Year. So feel free to take a look at nicksenger.com/onecatholiclife/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Nicks-2020-War-and-Peace-Chapter-a-Day-Reading-Schedule.pdf but see below the schedule for the Mumsnet Readalong.

Again, different editions name and number their chapters differently - some refer to four books divided into parts (as below), others refer to fifteen books although it's essentially the same structure just with different numbering. Hopefully there's enough info below to keep us all in sync, and always happy to let anyone know via PM what's happening in today's chapter so we can keep together.

Book 1: 1805
Book 1 Part One (25 chapters): 1/1 - 25/1
Book 1 Part Two (21 chapters): 26/1 - 15/2
Book 1 Part Three (19 chapters): 16/2 - 6/3
DAY OFF: 7/3
Book 2: 1806-1812
Book 2 Part One (16 chapters): 8/3 - 23/3
Book 2 Part Two (21 chapters): 24/3 - 13/4
Book 2 Part Three (26 chapters): 14/4 - 9/5
Book 2 Part Four (13 chapters): 10/5 - 22/5
Book 2 Part Five (22 chapters): 23/5 - 13/6
DAY OFF: 14/6
Book 3: 1812
Book Three Part One (23 chapters): 15/6 - 7/7
Book Three Part Two (39 chapters): 8/7 - 15/8
Book Three Part Three (34 chapters): 16/8 - 18/9
DAY OFF: 19/9
Book 4: 1812-13
Book Four Part One (16 chapters): 20/9 - 5/10
Book Four Part Two (19 chapters): 6/10 - 24/10
Book Four Part Three (19 chapters): 25/10 - 12/11
Book Four Part Four (20 chapters): 13/11 - 2/12
DAY OFF: 3/12
Epilogue One 1812-20 (16 chapters): 3/12 - 19/12
Epilogue Two (12 chapters): 20/12 - 31/12

Phew!

I would suggest that we meet at the end of each section (so 17 times over the course of the year) to discuss what we've read, but with (non-spoilerish) chatter welcome at any time in between. According to my guru, Nick, each chapter is around 4 pages long, so it should be do-able.

  1. Chapter "meditations"

This looks like another really interesting blog post from someone who has done it, with thoughts and meditations on each chapter: brianedenton.medium.com/a-year-of-war-and-peace-cc66540d9619#.yabefbbgz

Come and join me! This time next year we will almost have finished reading the finest novel ever written on the planet.

PS Some may feel that each day off deserves a shot of vodka or two. I couldn't possibly comment.

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SanFranBear · 07/04/2022 11:00

Wait... that's what £10,000 in 1806 would be worth today. 10,000 roubles is still about $80,000 (so about £60k) which still seems like more money than necessary... although I suppose he's still an officer!

Tarahumara · 07/04/2022 11:06

I'm so up for the tour! Grin

StColumbofNavron · 07/04/2022 12:53

Booking the back row of the bus...

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 07/04/2022 13:18

I'm definitely signing up for SanFranBear War & Peace Tour, although I do wonder how long we'll have to wait to visit all the relevant locations given the state of play atm 😭 More Peace less War.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 08/04/2022 01:31

Volume II Part 2
Chapter 16
The regiment continues to starve. In desperation, Denisov seizes a food convoy intended for another regiment, and is court-martialed for robbery. However, before he can go to trial, he is wounded in a reconnaissance mission and excuses himself to go to the hospital.

musicmaiden · 08/04/2022 10:25

Aw, Denisov. A hero to his men, but he didn't deal with that whole situation too well, did he? Although who can blame him for his anger, as it sounds as if the whole food situation is quite appalling.

As an aside, I was surprised at the blood-letting to 'calm him down'. Thought medicine had moved on a lot by that era, but clearly not!

SanFranBear · 08/04/2022 14:14

I think I would be permanently hangry in their position as well... so can't really blame Denisov. Agree that the blood-letting was awful - especially given how malnourished they already are... not surprised he was knocked out for a few hours.

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 08/04/2022 19:09

Poor Denisov. It wasn't a smart move at all. His heart is in the right place, but he'll pay for his actions. I was also taken aback at the blood-letting. I also didn't think it was common practice at that time.

BakeOffRewatch · 08/04/2022 23:08

I’ve been looking up bivouac of the 19th century as I couldn’t quite imagine the trenches that Tolstoy took such care to describe. Very interesting. I hate it, they’re just people! Why are they going out to suffer, starve and kill others.

This is one of the ice breaking: www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/destruction-of-retreating-russians-at-satschan-lake-retreat-news-photo/1003476956 “ Destruction of Retreating Russians at Satschan Lake', 1805, (1896). Retreat by Russian forces that had been defeated by the French at the Battle of Austerlitz (modern-day Slavkov u Brna in the Czech Republic). The ice broke on the frozen Satschan ponds and men were drowned. ”

Others is ones I found interesting, hard to find ones specific to the events:

www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/bivouac-of-the-cossacks-at-the-avenue-des-champs-elysées-in-news-photo/1151390025

www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/illustration/bivouac-of-the-prussian-army-in-a-field-royalty-free-illustration/1330925433

www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/untitled-painting-of-the-campfires-at-camp-de-chalons-by-news-photo/1338665715

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_de_Châlons

www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/french-soldiers-have-just-established-their-bivouac-during-news-photo/959133732

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 08/04/2022 23:27

From Gradesaver
Volume II Part 2
Chapter 17
It is June 1807, and Russia calls a truce with the French. Rostov visits Denisov in the hospital and is horrified by the conditions there. Typhus has laid waste to the understaffed facility and it is full of dead and dying soldiers.

SanFranBear · 09/04/2022 10:46

Today's chapter reminded me of the part in 'All Quiet on the Western Front' where Paul is wounded and hospitalised and made me realise just how horrendous war was for centuries... so many young lives wasted and if the fighting didn't get you, disease was always lurking.

I am quite fearful for Denisov although am hopeful that, due to his character, he'll be holding court somewhere in that hospital and will have charmed the orderlies to look after him. Not sure why I'm so attached to him...

VikingNorthUtsire · 09/04/2022 11:00

I've dropped off the thread, and the book, for a bit as I have Covid and the combination of war and philosophy is NOT what my brain can cope with right now! I am going to watch old episodes of Parks and Rec for a few days and catch up when the brain fog clears.

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ChannelLightVessel · 09/04/2022 11:35

It’s only very recently (WWW1+??) that more soldiers have died from the fighting than from disease, isn’t it? And of course civilians are still more likely to die from hunger/disease, despite Putin’s best efforts.

ChannelLightVessel · 09/04/2022 11:42

Hope you’re feeling better soon @VikingNorthUtsire. You will have first pick of seats on the coach as OP of the readalong.

Meanwhile, I had an interesting discussion about this painting at Kenwood House with the room steward (well, I enjoyed it..) Shows a girl in very early puberty with lambs, as a symbol of both innocence and future fertility, a juxtaposition that seems a little queasy to modern sensibilities, but close to Tolstoy’s depictions of young Natasha, Sonya etc. Painted about the time War and Peace is set.

War and Peace Readalong thread 2022 - thread 2
StColumbofNavron · 09/04/2022 12:07

Ohhh channel I am quite local so may pass by and have a look.

SanFranBear · 09/04/2022 16:03

Feel better soon, Viking - Leslie Knope can cure all ills, imo!

Sadik · 09/04/2022 16:53

Just checking in - and also hoping that Denisov has survived and is in there somewhere.

Tarahumara · 09/04/2022 19:48

at fellow north Londoners. I live in Hertfordshire now, but I grew up about 2 miles from Kenwood House.

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 09/04/2022 19:53

Get well soon Viking Brew

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 10/04/2022 00:31

From Gradesaver
Volume II Part 2
Chapter 18
At the hospital, Denisov is roommates with Tushin, who has recently lost his arm. Tushin and Nikolai urge Denisov to beg the sovereign’s forgiveness for the robbery, which he is reluctant to do because he doesn’t believe that he committed a crime. However, he eventually relents and gives Nikolai a letter to deliver to the tsar.

ClinkeyMonkey · 10/04/2022 07:41

Sorry you're stuck with Covid @VikingNorthUtsire. I had it a few weeks ago and, even though in my case it wasn't too bad, all reading (and thinking) went out the window! Hope you're better soonWinkThanks

ClinkeyMonkey · 10/04/2022 07:43

Sorry, don't know how I managed to add a winky face on. It was just meant to be the flowers🤣

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 10/04/2022 12:31

These last chapters were a difficult read. Poor Tushin too. He remains cheerful in spite of his injury. Denisov will be lucky if he manages to come out of this experience unscathed.

SanFranBear · 10/04/2022 14:48

I was so sad to see Tushin in the hospital but he seems largely unchanged despite the loss of his arm, thankfully. I wonder if he'll be able to continue operating his beloved big gun - I'm guessing not but I'm sure he'll still be out on the front line somewhere once he's fully healed.

Also sad to read that Denisov is losing some of his 'Denisovness' (definitely a word!)... its such a shame that his wound, which if he hadn't been up on charges, he'd have just plodded onwards with, out in the field, has seen him laid up for weeks. Hopefully his entreaty to the Emperor works and he can be released to get his spark back.

ChannelLightVessel · 10/04/2022 15:03

@Tarahumara I don’t live in London anymore, but DM tells me that DF used to hang round Kenwood House when he was bunking off games lessons.

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