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Troubled Blood - *Spoiler-laden discussion*

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EllacottObsessive · 22/11/2020 20:48

Setting this up for Strike and Ellacott fans to talk about spoilery things.

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MrFMercury · 16/12/2020 06:29

Yes I think it’s more realistic too. I was so gutted when Robin goes through with marrying Matthew but then realised that is the more realistic outcome. And it’s because Strike and Robin matter so much to each other that jumping into bed/a relationship isn’t a straightforward outcome either. I also liked the fact he has had other relationships while Robin was married, both of them felt safer that way. The tension of them both being fully single for the first time is delicious. I can’t think of a better word, sleep isn’t happening a lot here currently.

EllacottObsessive · 16/12/2020 08:23

Yes, now they are actually single, it will get more ridiculous if JKR does continue to have them dance about each other for an indefinite long period, feeling as they do about each other. Which is probably a good indication of at least snogging or something in Strike 6 because every move she makes is realistic and credible.

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MrFMercury · 16/12/2020 09:06

Yes which means we need the next book now or sooner. Patience has never been a virtue as far as I’m concerned. That said the joy of having a huge new book to look forward to each time is lovely and I now have plenty of excellent fan fic to read in the meantime AND a podcast Grin

parentalhelpline · 16/12/2020 17:38

So, does Robin ever properly explain to Strike why she went ahead with the honeymoon and the marriage? (I know he gets a hint about 'sea-borne bacteria' from Vanessa and she tells him about Matthew getting ill when they are with Jack in the hospital.) From Robin's point of view Strike is going to have to be open about Charlotte and how he feels about her, but from Strike's perspective, he has no idea how deeply she felt for him at the wedding because she went off on the honeymoon although he was expecting her not to - and he was hurt by that. Neither of them can be sure how the other feels, or at least not enough to take the risk of being open.

ISmellLikeRobin · 17/12/2020 04:11

Not that I remember, parental. I think he's pieced it together from the separate comments though. He is a private investigator, after all! Grin I think he's figured out how they feel about each other more than she had which is why he felt confident in making the big gestures & letting her know he notices her.

I'm re-watching the TV series again & the casting is bothering me. Burke just isn't Strike for me. Robin, however, is utterly perfect & completely how I imagine her to be. She's about the only one I think is exactly how they are in my head. Charlotte isn't nearly glam enough.

Just got to a line in The Silkworm where Fancourt says "most writers aren't very imaginative. They end up writing about themselves." As he says that the camera lingers on Robin... Given the parallels people draw between her & JKR, I feel that's not a coincidence!

I find it fascinating how they cut out so much from the story to make the TV programmes but the story still hangs together. I'd love to know how they decide which bits to lose or change. The books are better though! Grin

Kit19 · 17/12/2020 17:24

Strike is difficult to cast though. The book describes him as battered looking, not handsome, very tall and fat....and yet you also have to buy into Robin and many women finding him hot....in a book you can do that but in a TV show I think it's much harder to convince people that that would be the case.

I do wonder if in the very weird world of TV beauty, they think that because Tom Burke has a scar from a cleft palate that somehow counts.....

I think Tom Burke is brilliant as Strike but he's not at all like the book Strike looks wise....I dont know who I would have cast instead though...

and yes Holliday is absolutely perfect as Robin in all the ways! The more I (re)watch the TV show the more I appreciate how great she is in that role

I assumed she didnt dump Matthew because the night Strike realised she was on honeymoon, he went out and met Lorelei so by the time Robin got back he was seeing someone....

EllacottObsessive · 17/12/2020 21:02

Holliday is still too short for Robin imo, but Tom is only 6ft, and was actually the smallest of the Musketeers if memory serves, and given that Strike is supposed to be at least 6'3", the scaling down of TV Strike means that it's ok that Holliday is more petite than Robin should be. She is very elegant, though.

I've done fuck all today except drag my arse through a shift at work, because I got drunk and stayed up till 4am last night. I hope to be a touch more productive in the coming days.

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BebeStevens · 18/12/2020 07:24

I'm wondering what will happen when Strike finally faces the Rokeby clan, next book do you think?

Biscuitsanddoombar · 18/12/2020 07:43

Ahhhh I am waiting for this too Bebe! I’m sure it will feature in the next book especially as in TB we had the whole “jonnys got cancer & wants to make peace with Strike” storyline

BebeStevens · 18/12/2020 09:22

There's a few ways it could go, isn't there?

MrFMercury · 18/12/2020 11:50

I wonder if it will push Strike towards feeling self destructive. I think he's
very aware he does have complicated feelings about his Dad, his treatment of the other children shows that. He tries to be decent to them until they push him. People he loves/should love him and actually fucking him over is a theme so I can see conflict between the knowledge Robin wouldn't deliberately do that and fear that she will.

Kit19 · 18/12/2020 12:52

one of the key things is that Strike isnt self pitying though. JKR is very clear on that. He treats his body badly because he cant be arsed not because of self hatred.....

maybe self sabotage more than self hatred?

also i rewatched lethal white and was struck by the bit where charlotte says to him
"look me in the eye and tell me youve ever loved anyone the way you loved me"
and he says
"i havent and thank fuck for that"

so there could be an element of being aware that he has the potential to love Robin as completely as that....so maybe even self self protection as in 'cant do that to myself again'

EllacottObsessive · 18/12/2020 15:23

Yeah, but for me this is why it's important he gets to the point of realizing what he felt for Charlotte is a very different thing to what he feels for Robin. Cf. all his references to his feelings for Charlotte as some kind of infection. Damn right he's gonna be pleased he's not felt like about anyone else.

TB was in large part about him beginning to let go of that toxicity and the way it has attached to the idea of 'love' in his mind.

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ISmellLikeRobin · 18/12/2020 17:01

There's so many possibilities for a Strike/Johnny meeting. At the moment I'm leaning towards either Johnny rocking up at the office & talking to Robin because Strike's out, or there being a letter that Pat opens thinking it's agency business & she tells Robin about it because she doesn't know how to broach the subject with Strike. I'm fairly sure that Robin will be instrumental in any reconciliation.

There's always the possibility that Strike will just outright refuse to meet him & regret it after he's gone. Maybe there might be a letter or a share of the inheritance & we'll see Robin having to help him deal with it. Or perhaps there'll be a deathbed moment like he had with Joan & he can reflect on the differences between the two experiences.

I really hope that Johnny really does try to apologise in a genuine way, not a protecting/enhancing his image way like Strike assumes. I'd love to have him tell Strike that he'd let Leda's behaviour colour their relationship & the drugs hadn't helped but that he regretted it. I want him to acknowledge that he's behaved badly & he can't change that but he wants to change things going forward. I do think, though, that that might be quite hard for Strike to hear. At the moment, he can hate his father & blame him, at least in part, for his upbringing. I get the feeling that he knows the Leda was rather chaotic but, like Charlotte, he sees her as a victim of her past, or maybe of her mental health, but a victim nonetheless. To accept that Johnny isn't just an awful person he'd have to accept that Leda was responsible for souring their relationship. Had Leda not repeatedly chosen to blow all the child support & demand more money perhaps Johnny would've been more inclined to have a more amicable relationship with Strike. I'm not suggesting they'd have been besties & Johnny would've been getting father-of-the-year awards, but maybe it would've been different.

I think it's quite telling that Lucy has a lot of anger towards Leda. She doesn't see her as a victim but as a woman who made bad choices that were detrimental to her children. Am I right in remembering that Lucy's dad was a bit more of a stable presence in her life? Strike could've internalised that as it being solely Johnny's fault because Lucy's dad managed to maintain civility with Leda, therefore the problem couldn't have been her.

I may be slightly overthinking all this... Blush

Biscuitsanddoombar · 18/12/2020 17:02

Definitely EO!! He has to learn to reframe what ‘love’ is to himself. Just have to trust JKR to give him the space to do so ie less Charlotte in book 6

Biscuitsanddoombar · 18/12/2020 17:04

No such thing as overthinking any of this IsmelllikeRobin 😆

ISmellLikeRobin · 18/12/2020 17:18

I think more Charlotte would be helpful, actually. More opportunities for him to compare his relationships with her & Robin & see how different it is.

EllacottObsessive · 18/12/2020 17:27

Yeah, I think next book will be much less Matt, but if we've seen the last of Charlotte, I'll eat my trilby.

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parentalhelpline · 18/12/2020 23:36

Rowling is nothing is profoundly realistic about characters and relationships, so I wonder if Charlotte will always have that 'potent hold' on Strike's imagination, and that he will never be able to forget her, toxic as their love for each other was, even as he is moving towards knowing Robin is the woman who is right for him. Robin will need some kind of reassurance from Strike that he wants her rather than Charlotte, but I wonder if Strike will ever truly be honest with her about how the place Charlotte holds in his life. I'd like to think so, but I could see him keeping quiet about it rather than trying to explain an inexplicable bond.

Maybe that is too negative, though. End of a tiring week. Smile

Biscuitsanddoombar · 19/12/2020 10:52

I would love to see a Robin & Charlotte talk. We know Charlotte is jealous of Robin and I wonder if strike & Robin did get together, if Charlotte would try & sabotage it 🤔

She’s tried everything else to get strike back - telling him she’s marrying someone he hates in the hope he’d come & save her, telling him she wishes her children were his as well, suicide attempts

Maybe she’ll change tactics and target Robin

EllacottObsessive · 19/12/2020 11:49

Ooooo. That's a very intriguing possibility.

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parentalhelpline · 19/12/2020 11:55

Could be brutal. Charlotte plays dirty and Robin had only her virtue with which to defend herself.

parentalhelpline · 19/12/2020 12:05

*has

Honestly, I really need more sleep.

ISmellLikeRobin · 19/12/2020 12:24

I can totally see Charlotte doing that, although she hasn't gone after any of the other women he's dated, as far as we know. I suppose she'd know him well enough to know that he wouldn't make a move on his business partner unless he was properly serious about her so that might be enough to get her attention.

Maybe she'll show up with a case for them & pick up on some tension. She'll manipulate Strike into admitting that they're interested in each other but that they're taking it slow. Strike will take the case because it'll involve a mutual friend, or something that only he could possibly help her with because everyone else just thinks she's mad but [insert doe eyes] "you believe me, don't you Bluey...?" As soon as she can get Robin alone she'll make comments about how she could never have worked with him while they were dating because they'd never have got any work done... But then maybe he's developed more self-control since they were together... Cue Robin losing the self-confidence she'd built since getting rid of Matthew & Strike getting confused about her pulling back from him. They'd probably be nearly done with the case before she'd actually admit that she'd let his ex get to her.

Biscuitsanddoombar · 19/12/2020 12:46

Ooooh yes I could see that ISmellLikeRobin!!!

Calling him Bluey (pauses to remember the bit in LW where Strike says “don’t! call me that....🤪🤪) and she’d definitely play the “we coukdbt keep our hands off each other” card

Charlotte is an arch manipulator. She’d definitely get into robins head....