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Riders - Jilly Cooper Book Club

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JillyCooperBookClub · 14/03/2016 09:53

It was a perfect spring day. Thickening crimson buds fretted a love-in-the-mist blue sky. The banks were draped with crocuses of the same Lenten purple as the altar cloth. A host of golden daffodils, retarded by the bitter winter, had just reached their prime and nodded their pale heads in approval.

Thus Helen falls for Rupert, and I fell for Jilly Cooper: against our upbringing and our better judgement, and despite every single red flag.

Riders wasn't my first Jilly Cooper, but the first I sought out, after a few stolen pages of another under dappled sun on Guide Camp as a teenager.

It starts deceptively happily, with gymkhanas and very proper sexless dates. But we mustn't be fooled: at every point every character is being judged by every other, and found wanting. Character flaws, damaging childhoods, trauma and tragedy: frankly it's a wonder any one of them made it to adulthood.

Rupert's friendship with Billy predates the neglect and misery of his childhood, so unsurprisingly it is the only healthy and unconditional human relationship he has.

There couldn't be much wrong with Rupert if he inspired friendship like this.

Rupert shivered, suddenly reminded of the desolation of Sunday nights at school, summoned by bells to Evensong, followed by cold ham and bread and marge for supper, and everyone else coming back feeling homesick from days out with their parents. Rupert had never really had a proper home to feel sick about.

And indeed it will be some years before he finds one.

We discussed on the general thread that Rupert is a bit, well, rapey. In Riders he has precisely zero respect for any woman's body autonomy (the very first time he and Helen meet he thrusts his hand into her jumper) and once he has any declared rights over a woman he takes absolute possession of her body.

With a colossal feeling of triumph he pushed her back on to the bed and began to move downwards, kissing her ribs, then her belly.

"No," she gasped, grabbing his head.

Firmly he removed her hands. "Shut up. You're mine now, to do exactly what I like with."

The foursome in Kenya is deeply, deeply troubling. Billy doesn't seem to realise how unwilling Helen is until he has raped her; Rupert is more concerned with how his friends will perceive them, and his response to finding her as dry as a marathon runner's throat is to declare her "useless"; Janey is so turned on by Rupert she doesn't stop to think about it. All three of them assault her together, until she escapes.

Any minute she expected an enraged Rupert to appear and drag her back to the torture chamber.

But the others were enjoying themselves. [...] Playing games of their own, they carried on till morning.

Days later, she falls for Jake: physically and romantically the exact opposite of Rupert. It was inevitable, surely, and as little as I like her I have the greatest sympathy. But I'll never forgive Jake as long as I live.

When I first read Riders I identified strongly with Tory. Poor unloved Tory - considered a fat failure, whilst in truth neither fat nor failing. Jilly is horribly judgemental about an ounce of spare fat on anyone, but she shows us that however miserable Tory might be, she is beautiful and perfect:

She was tallish and big boned, with a huge bust that bounced up and down as she walked. However she stood on the scales, she weighed eleven stone.

(Note: at 5'8", "tallish", that's a BMI of 23.4, and she promptly loses nine pounds when she falls in love, taking her to 22.5)

Actually she was much less far without her clothes on; rather splendid, in fact.

Tory is capable and loyal and loving and stoic and all the characteristics of a balanced human being. She doesn't expect Jake to love her; it's enough that she loves him.

"She loved you," said Fen bitterly. "Isa, Darklis, me, the horses, Wolf, were only extensions of how much she loved you. She knew you didn't love her, but she felt you needed her. That made life easier, that was enough."

"Oh, Christ," Jake groaned, putting his head in his hands. "I only realised in LA how much I loved her. [...] She always seemed so strong that she could cope with anything. I didn't realise I meant so much to her."

[...]

Frantic, he took her in his arms, trying to warm some life into the frail body.

"Don't die," he pleaded for the thousandth time. "Please don't die."

"Jake," came the faintest, faintest whisper.

I was going to talk about snobbery and class, and the animals, and the culture of celebrity, and the freedom of wealth, and Billy, and Malise, and political marriages, and fidelity, but I can't, because tears are streaming down my face yet again and my nose is running. So to cheer myself up, and to evidence Jilly's brilliance, I'll leave you with my favourite exchange:

"Will it be very fancy tonight?"
"Not particularly."
"Shall I wear pants?
Rupert's eyes gleamed. That was getting somewhere. "Certainly not," he said.
[...]
"Chicken, you are wearing pants. What's this?" he pinged the elastic."
"Panties," said Helen quickly. "You thought I'd go to a party without panties?"

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Trills · 24/03/2016 21:13

I am not feeling very sympathetic for Janey right now.

BalloonSlayer · 24/03/2016 22:15

I think you and I are at about the same part, Trills.

I am up to Kevin Coley turning up - "men shouldn't drop in" Wink

rollonthesummer · 24/03/2016 22:49

Why can't I lose 10lb by not eating for a few days like she does?!

MrsHathaway · 25/03/2016 09:18

rollon er, I can. Does involve not eating at all usually though (eg when feeling ropey) and goes back on quickly.

For ten pounds to fall off that quickly and make a difference to your appearance, mind you, you do need to be a way over your natural weight.

NB earlier Tory goes from 11st to 10st4oz and Granny Maxwell can see she's "lost a lot of weight".

MrsHathaway · 25/03/2016 09:18

Ahem.

10st4lb

Trills · 25/03/2016 10:03

"I've only had a grapefruit and two bottles of Perrier since Tuesday".

Unless today is Wednesday, you can fuck off.

I just want to repeat that Jilly has a very unhealthy relationship with weight and food.

BalloonSlayer · 25/03/2016 12:30

She has been taking slimming pills as well. Which are amphetamines aren't they? Or they were in the 70s anyway - nowadays what we call slimming pills are those Olestra things or other herbal ineffective stuff, but back in the day they were dangerous drugs (but worked, apparently).

BeautifulMaudOHara · 25/03/2016 12:45

I'm reading Rivals now and Lizzie Vereker is about to drop in to introduce herself to the O'Haras, taking bantams eggs and champagne!

Trills · 25/03/2016 12:50

I think we are doing a whole thread for Rivals in April, aren't we?

Oh yes the slimming pills. Totally healthy.

BalloonSlayer · 25/03/2016 13:00

And how Kevin Coley criticises Janie's weight, says she is "overweight" as if it's a crime, "if you were my wife I'd send you to a health club" and then when she's lost the aforementioned 10 pounds he tells her how much more she ought to lose and YET SHE STILL SHAGS HIM!! Why?

(The more I read with this in mind the more I wonder what I said upthread, whether Jilly's husband was like this with her and she honestly thinks it's normal. My DH wouldn't care if I put on 2 stone or lost 2 stone.)

Trills · 25/03/2016 13:27

And the homophobia!

Fen has just muttered that Dino is "probably more interested in Basils than Rosemarys anyway" - because he can iron his own shirts and cook, rather than expecting a woman do everything for him like all the other riders do.

rollonthesummer · 25/03/2016 13:28

Did anyone read Class by Jilly?!

link

JillyTheDependableBoot · 25/03/2016 13:35

I took amphetamine-based slimming pills back in the day. They made your mouth incredibly dry and made you feel off-the-scale angry all the time. Not hungry, though.

allthingsred · 25/03/2016 13:48

I reread theses a few months ago. I'd forgotten how much I loved Jolly Cooper & this series in paticular.
Score is next on my list.

Trills · 25/03/2016 13:49

Were they prescribed? Or something you got off someone down the pub?

JolieMadame · 25/03/2016 14:53

Rather than slimming pills don't a lot of characters take packets of ex-lax for a day before big parties?

I seem to remember Flora spending all day on the loo before the Bagley ball..

JolieMadame · 25/03/2016 14:54

Oh and of course the Mogadon if you've just been dumped!

Christ it's or something you'd want your daughters to aspire to is it?

YoureAllABunchOfBastards · 25/03/2016 17:12

We drove through Gloucester this morning. I said to DH 'Oooh, this is Jilly country' and he replied 'Are you expecting to see RCB or something?'. Then we turned onto Corinium Avenue and I laughed out loud.

In Pandora, you see Rupert circa Riders and he comes across a lot better - ok, he is shagging Galena while she is married to Raymond, but he is funny and charming too.

JillyTheDependableBoot · 25/03/2016 17:42

You could buy them in pharmacies where I lived, Trills. Good times.

MrsHathaway · 25/03/2016 18:09

I just want to repeat that Jilly has a very unhealthy relationship with weight and food.

And Men, alas.

Yes, Rivals in April. Give us a chance to catch up - in my memory Rivals is quite with new characters, locations and plot lines so it takes a bit of re reading.

JennyOfOldstones · 26/03/2016 09:38

God I love JC, her books are my guilty pleasure. Agree that her characters are either horrible or the 'nice' ones are a bit wet. I think Flora is my favourite. And Sailor is my favourite horse.

Trills · 26/03/2016 10:13

Are we supposed to LIKE Jake?

I don't particularly.

He's kind to horses (and Helen) but unkind to Tory. And although he denies it a lot of his kindness to Helen is motivated by wanting to be better than Rupert.

Poor Tory thinks that being the perfect house-running child-raising wife in a marriage of convenience is all she deserves, and everyone else seems to agree.

Trills · 26/03/2016 10:26

You could write a perfectly fine book on the Rupert/Jake stuff with a more traditional good guy and bad guy setup.

Start it the same with the rich boy poor boy bullying.

Horses, jumping, blah blah blah. Rupert is ruthless, Jake loves his horses.

Helen and Rupert as unsuited as ever.

Jake and Tory like and respect each other, realise that they make a good team, but come to realise that their love is more one of friendship than of romance.

Jake helps Helen be less "frigid", Helen helps Jake to be less emotionally shut off.

Jake and Tory split amicably. Tory does not find another man in this book but it's hinted that her 30 yr old self compares well to other 30 yr olds (much better than she did at 18), partly in looks and confidence and happiness and partly because men looking to date a 30 yr old are a little less shallow than men looking to date an 18 yr old.

Marcus becomes more confident and Tab becomes less selfish by spending time with the lovely Lovell children.

Rupert goes back to womanising ways and is shallow and never fulfilled, because he is the bad guy.

It's a much shorter book with a tighter focus and fewer "main" characters.

BalloonSlayer · 26/03/2016 12:26

But I think it's better for no one being totally likeable, because no one really is in real life - we all have our faults. Similarly Rupert is absolutely awful but he loves Billy and is kind to him - no ones' all bad.

Trills · 26/03/2016 13:00

Oh my imaginary book isn't BETTER at all - it's just more traditional. It's how one might expect the book to pan out if we were expecting goodies and baddies.

(I love Game of Thrones because very few people can be properly classified as good or bad)