Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

What we're reading

Find your new favourite book or recommend one on our Book forum.

Riders - Jilly Cooper Book Club

262 replies

JillyCooperBookClub · 14/03/2016 09:53

It was a perfect spring day. Thickening crimson buds fretted a love-in-the-mist blue sky. The banks were draped with crocuses of the same Lenten purple as the altar cloth. A host of golden daffodils, retarded by the bitter winter, had just reached their prime and nodded their pale heads in approval.

Thus Helen falls for Rupert, and I fell for Jilly Cooper: against our upbringing and our better judgement, and despite every single red flag.

Riders wasn't my first Jilly Cooper, but the first I sought out, after a few stolen pages of another under dappled sun on Guide Camp as a teenager.

It starts deceptively happily, with gymkhanas and very proper sexless dates. But we mustn't be fooled: at every point every character is being judged by every other, and found wanting. Character flaws, damaging childhoods, trauma and tragedy: frankly it's a wonder any one of them made it to adulthood.

Rupert's friendship with Billy predates the neglect and misery of his childhood, so unsurprisingly it is the only healthy and unconditional human relationship he has.

There couldn't be much wrong with Rupert if he inspired friendship like this.

Rupert shivered, suddenly reminded of the desolation of Sunday nights at school, summoned by bells to Evensong, followed by cold ham and bread and marge for supper, and everyone else coming back feeling homesick from days out with their parents. Rupert had never really had a proper home to feel sick about.

And indeed it will be some years before he finds one.

We discussed on the general thread that Rupert is a bit, well, rapey. In Riders he has precisely zero respect for any woman's body autonomy (the very first time he and Helen meet he thrusts his hand into her jumper) and once he has any declared rights over a woman he takes absolute possession of her body.

With a colossal feeling of triumph he pushed her back on to the bed and began to move downwards, kissing her ribs, then her belly.

"No," she gasped, grabbing his head.

Firmly he removed her hands. "Shut up. You're mine now, to do exactly what I like with."

The foursome in Kenya is deeply, deeply troubling. Billy doesn't seem to realise how unwilling Helen is until he has raped her; Rupert is more concerned with how his friends will perceive them, and his response to finding her as dry as a marathon runner's throat is to declare her "useless"; Janey is so turned on by Rupert she doesn't stop to think about it. All three of them assault her together, until she escapes.

Any minute she expected an enraged Rupert to appear and drag her back to the torture chamber.

But the others were enjoying themselves. [...] Playing games of their own, they carried on till morning.

Days later, she falls for Jake: physically and romantically the exact opposite of Rupert. It was inevitable, surely, and as little as I like her I have the greatest sympathy. But I'll never forgive Jake as long as I live.

When I first read Riders I identified strongly with Tory. Poor unloved Tory - considered a fat failure, whilst in truth neither fat nor failing. Jilly is horribly judgemental about an ounce of spare fat on anyone, but she shows us that however miserable Tory might be, she is beautiful and perfect:

She was tallish and big boned, with a huge bust that bounced up and down as she walked. However she stood on the scales, she weighed eleven stone.

(Note: at 5'8", "tallish", that's a BMI of 23.4, and she promptly loses nine pounds when she falls in love, taking her to 22.5)

Actually she was much less far without her clothes on; rather splendid, in fact.

Tory is capable and loyal and loving and stoic and all the characteristics of a balanced human being. She doesn't expect Jake to love her; it's enough that she loves him.

"She loved you," said Fen bitterly. "Isa, Darklis, me, the horses, Wolf, were only extensions of how much she loved you. She knew you didn't love her, but she felt you needed her. That made life easier, that was enough."

"Oh, Christ," Jake groaned, putting his head in his hands. "I only realised in LA how much I loved her. [...] She always seemed so strong that she could cope with anything. I didn't realise I meant so much to her."

[...]

Frantic, he took her in his arms, trying to warm some life into the frail body.

"Don't die," he pleaded for the thousandth time. "Please don't die."

"Jake," came the faintest, faintest whisper.

I was going to talk about snobbery and class, and the animals, and the culture of celebrity, and the freedom of wealth, and Billy, and Malise, and political marriages, and fidelity, but I can't, because tears are streaming down my face yet again and my nose is running. So to cheer myself up, and to evidence Jilly's brilliance, I'll leave you with my favourite exchange:

"Will it be very fancy tonight?"
"Not particularly."
"Shall I wear pants?
Rupert's eyes gleamed. That was getting somewhere. "Certainly not," he said.
[...]
"Chicken, you are wearing pants. What's this?" he pinged the elastic."
"Panties," said Helen quickly. "You thought I'd go to a party without panties?"

OP posts:
Stokey · 21/03/2016 14:39

That always gets stuck in my head on first of May Fedup !

I haven't read Jilly for years, but do remeber reading Riders mainly for the sex as a teenager, but then properly loving Rivals and Taggie. You've made me want to reread them. I did buy Score a few years back, saved it for a holiday and w bitterly disappointed. I also have Wicked on my kindle that I have never managed to finish - does it improve?

On the drinking note, I actually don't think it is excessive among that class and age group. I went sailing with a friend and her dad and his mate a few years back and was amazed by how much they could knock back. They would start at about 11 and barely stop all day - and I thought my friends were heavy drinkers!

There's a great description of Janey breastfeeding her baby pure champagne - I want to say Bolly but suspect it's something else.

Arpege · 21/03/2016 15:45

Jilly is that Hermione?

Arpege · 21/03/2016 15:46

Jilly hates breastfeeders. They always have floppy triangular boobs and hairy armpits....

JillyTheDependableBoot · 21/03/2016 16:17

Arpege - no, good guess though.

JC hates breastfeeders unless they're very young and pretty, in which case they're allowed to bf in public because men like looking at their tits.

BalloonSlayer · 21/03/2016 17:31

Jilly writes about infertility very well. She couldn't have children herself and was heartbroken about it, and her own pain comes through so strongly when her characters are suffering. Janey's emotions at Tabitha's Christening rang so true for me when I was struggling to conceive and felt like everyone else was rubbing their fertility in my face.

They do say "write what you know" and I think in this case you can see how right that advice is.

By the same token I do think that her not having given birth comes over strongly too in her disgust of breastfeeding and anything remotely resembling natural childbirth or parenting. She describes Rupert pestering Helen to start having sex again and Helen refusing egged on by the dreadful Hilary . . . given that she has had Helen "nearly died during a dreadful birth" there is not even a nod to the fact that Helen might be in pain, have lots of stitches etc: nope, she's just being awkward. I don't think birth injuries/stitches even crossed Jilly's mind, in the same way that it wouldn't have crossed mine before I had children. I don't mean to say that people who haven't given birth can't write convincingly about it, not at all, I just think that Jilly can't and perhaps that's the reason. She also seems to think that if a mother is too close to a son he will turn into a "roaring pansy" to use her delightful expression. Hmm Perhaps it's an age/class thing: don't look after your children yourself or love them too much, it's common and what's more, it won't do them any good.

Trills · 21/03/2016 21:14

It really is mainly about horses, isn't it?

If you opened on a random page, you'd be MUCH more likely to find someone on horse or talking about horses, than you would to find someone having sex or talking about having sex.

Trills · 21/03/2016 22:28

Rupert has narrowly avoided shagging two year 9 girls by Helen turning up unexpectedly.

They said they were 16. He did not do his due diligence. (a phrase that someone brought up on an Adam Johnson thread that I think is just brilliant - you should be expected to take reasonable measures to ensure that anyone you are flirting with is over age)

Billy has taken them out for dinner, fed them champagne, and sent them home. This is almost as weird as wanting to shag them. Did they CHAT over dinner?

Trills · 21/03/2016 22:31

Actually it's nearly Christmas so let's be generous and say they are year 10.

BalloonSlayer · 22/03/2016 06:54

No I think you are right the first time Trills, one says she is doing her O Levels in 2 years' time. You wouldn't say that if you were in Year 10, even if they were 18 months away you would say in a year's time as it would be in the next academic year.

And later in the book he meets up with the girl again as he has "unfinished business" IIRC < shudder > but I suppose there's the faintest chance that this is 2 years later in the book . . . ? (doubt it somehow) Confused

Thurlow · 22/03/2016 10:17

I've just started reading Riders again (any excuse...) and the thing that's hit me about 100 pages in is that I don't really like anyone at all. And thinking about it, I'm not sure I ever did like anyone. Rupert is a complete prick in this book, Janey's an absolute bitch, Billy and Tory are walkovers, Jake has hardly any personality. And Helen? I'm currently reading the bit where she goes on her second date to Crittleden with Rupert and she doesn't like anyone and just hangs around being annoying because they - gasp! - happen to have different interests to her. I've remembered how little sympathy I have for her most of the time because she bloody well knew Rupert was the wrong person for her, but she still goes ahead with it anyway.

I think I liked Fen. And fancied Dino. I might have remembered that wrong though as Fen is still only 9...

MrsHathaway · 22/03/2016 15:22

I adore like Tory and always did - but I think I was definitely projecting the first time I "met" her.

Dino is the first to appreciate her, so I live him a bit even though he's often an arse.

Fen is too much of a teenager throughout.

GertrudeBadger · 22/03/2016 15:28

I liked Tory and I was likely projecting too - my weight constantly hovers a little either side of 11 stone but the ending still isn't that great for her - she gets a bit of somewhat insincere affection from Jake finally, it's definitely the least warm of JC novels...

BalloonSlayer · 22/03/2016 18:02

If Helen posted on Mumsnet with her problems, she'd be handed her arse, nicely toasted.

She has an affair with a married man, gets pregnant, has an abortion. Then marries a man she knows to be adulterous (there are some Mumsnetters that would call that Karma). Then has another affair with a married man. Both times she has affairs she expects the man to leave his wife for her.

JillyTheDependableBoot · 22/03/2016 21:56

*BalloonSlayer - yy - And then she goes on to marry a man who she thinks will rescue her, which he does, only because he is so much older it doesn't last, so she marries another abusive adulterer for status. Poor Helen.

Trills · 23/03/2016 00:06

I don't know if my book is missing some pages, or if I read it last night while I was nearly asleep, but WHY is Jake in the Middle East looking for Macauley?

What makes him decide to go track that horse down?

MrsHathaway · 23/03/2016 00:29

Jake gets a tip off, doesn't he? While he's still in the UK, that is.

BalloonSlayer · 23/03/2016 07:12

Jake has always intended to buy Macaulay under an assumed name because he thinks he's a great horse who will go even better for him, plus he has a sort of bond with having looked after him when Rupert beat him. He asks Marion to tip him off when Rupert is looking to sell him, but Rupert sells him off on the quiet to someone in the Middle East and Marion isn't able to find anything out in time. However, Jake knows that, given Macaulay's nature, he won't last long as a riding horse and will soon end up in the stone quarries.

When Sailor dies, then Rupert buys Revenge, Jake is stuffed as he has no horses at all. He needs new ones but doesn't have much money. When Rupert is at the Olympics Jake doesn't want to be at home enduring all the hype so he decides to go out to the Middle East and have a look for Macaulay, calculating that it's about now that his new owner would have had enough of him and sold him to the stone quarries.

Trills · 23/03/2016 19:08

Good summary thanks!

Trills · 23/03/2016 19:12

Poor Sailor! Sad

BeautifulMaudOHara · 24/03/2016 12:24

That's a really good point about not liking anyone.

I think it's true, but you keep reading because it's fascinating and you still want to know what happens to them. Well, I do, which must mean I care, despite not liking them necessarily.

JillyTheDependableBoot · 24/03/2016 12:28

Exactly, Maud - you care about them without necessarily liking them. She is also very good, at least in the earlier books, at creating characters who are three-dimensional and believable, not lazy stereotypes.

Thurlow · 24/03/2016 12:56

I've read them in the wrong order over the past week - Rivals, Polo and now Riders.

But it's really interesting reading them this way. In Rivals, Jilly really does quite like Rupert. He's portrayed nearly always in a relatively good light; his redemption is clear from the start of the book. In Riders he's almost entirely despicable (though still fascinating and someone you want to read about). The scene where he blames Helen for why he has been sleeping around with other people Shock

CallMeMousie · 24/03/2016 14:42

Maybe we need to come up with a new reading order to revolutionise the way you experience JC? Kind of like the Star Wars machete order but with more sex and horses?

JolieMadame · 24/03/2016 16:40

That what (for me) JC gets so wrong in the newer books. Really lazy 2 dimensional characters. I just can't get on with them....

Thurlow · 24/03/2016 16:54

Grin Mousie.

If you read Rivals first, you'd just think Rupert was a womaniser who needed the love of a good woman to calm down. Not an abusive prick with no redeeming features whatsoever.