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Riders - Jilly Cooper Book Club

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JillyCooperBookClub · 14/03/2016 09:53

It was a perfect spring day. Thickening crimson buds fretted a love-in-the-mist blue sky. The banks were draped with crocuses of the same Lenten purple as the altar cloth. A host of golden daffodils, retarded by the bitter winter, had just reached their prime and nodded their pale heads in approval.

Thus Helen falls for Rupert, and I fell for Jilly Cooper: against our upbringing and our better judgement, and despite every single red flag.

Riders wasn't my first Jilly Cooper, but the first I sought out, after a few stolen pages of another under dappled sun on Guide Camp as a teenager.

It starts deceptively happily, with gymkhanas and very proper sexless dates. But we mustn't be fooled: at every point every character is being judged by every other, and found wanting. Character flaws, damaging childhoods, trauma and tragedy: frankly it's a wonder any one of them made it to adulthood.

Rupert's friendship with Billy predates the neglect and misery of his childhood, so unsurprisingly it is the only healthy and unconditional human relationship he has.

There couldn't be much wrong with Rupert if he inspired friendship like this.

Rupert shivered, suddenly reminded of the desolation of Sunday nights at school, summoned by bells to Evensong, followed by cold ham and bread and marge for supper, and everyone else coming back feeling homesick from days out with their parents. Rupert had never really had a proper home to feel sick about.

And indeed it will be some years before he finds one.

We discussed on the general thread that Rupert is a bit, well, rapey. In Riders he has precisely zero respect for any woman's body autonomy (the very first time he and Helen meet he thrusts his hand into her jumper) and once he has any declared rights over a woman he takes absolute possession of her body.

With a colossal feeling of triumph he pushed her back on to the bed and began to move downwards, kissing her ribs, then her belly.

"No," she gasped, grabbing his head.

Firmly he removed her hands. "Shut up. You're mine now, to do exactly what I like with."

The foursome in Kenya is deeply, deeply troubling. Billy doesn't seem to realise how unwilling Helen is until he has raped her; Rupert is more concerned with how his friends will perceive them, and his response to finding her as dry as a marathon runner's throat is to declare her "useless"; Janey is so turned on by Rupert she doesn't stop to think about it. All three of them assault her together, until she escapes.

Any minute she expected an enraged Rupert to appear and drag her back to the torture chamber.

But the others were enjoying themselves. [...] Playing games of their own, they carried on till morning.

Days later, she falls for Jake: physically and romantically the exact opposite of Rupert. It was inevitable, surely, and as little as I like her I have the greatest sympathy. But I'll never forgive Jake as long as I live.

When I first read Riders I identified strongly with Tory. Poor unloved Tory - considered a fat failure, whilst in truth neither fat nor failing. Jilly is horribly judgemental about an ounce of spare fat on anyone, but she shows us that however miserable Tory might be, she is beautiful and perfect:

She was tallish and big boned, with a huge bust that bounced up and down as she walked. However she stood on the scales, she weighed eleven stone.

(Note: at 5'8", "tallish", that's a BMI of 23.4, and she promptly loses nine pounds when she falls in love, taking her to 22.5)

Actually she was much less far without her clothes on; rather splendid, in fact.

Tory is capable and loyal and loving and stoic and all the characteristics of a balanced human being. She doesn't expect Jake to love her; it's enough that she loves him.

"She loved you," said Fen bitterly. "Isa, Darklis, me, the horses, Wolf, were only extensions of how much she loved you. She knew you didn't love her, but she felt you needed her. That made life easier, that was enough."

"Oh, Christ," Jake groaned, putting his head in his hands. "I only realised in LA how much I loved her. [...] She always seemed so strong that she could cope with anything. I didn't realise I meant so much to her."

[...]

Frantic, he took her in his arms, trying to warm some life into the frail body.

"Don't die," he pleaded for the thousandth time. "Please don't die."

"Jake," came the faintest, faintest whisper.

I was going to talk about snobbery and class, and the animals, and the culture of celebrity, and the freedom of wealth, and Billy, and Malise, and political marriages, and fidelity, but I can't, because tears are streaming down my face yet again and my nose is running. So to cheer myself up, and to evidence Jilly's brilliance, I'll leave you with my favourite exchange:

"Will it be very fancy tonight?"
"Not particularly."
"Shall I wear pants?
Rupert's eyes gleamed. That was getting somewhere. "Certainly not," he said.
[...]
"Chicken, you are wearing pants. What's this?" he pinged the elastic."
"Panties," said Helen quickly. "You thought I'd go to a party without panties?"

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LizzieVereker · 20/03/2016 15:24

Hello all (pokes Vole-like questing nose around the edge of the thread but won't come in fully as hasn't washed hair and it has scurf in it)

Love the thread. Can we have a quiz? I am very poorly and it will cheer me up. We could answer a question and then ask the next poster one, if anyone fancies playing?

My question ( an easy one to start) would be:

Which cartoon character is huge hero to Lysander in TMWMHJ?

YoureAllABunchOfBastards · 20/03/2016 15:27

LA Olympics was 1984, though. I suppose Moscow wouldn't be a great setting, even if it was accurate...

CallMeMousie · 20/03/2016 15:35

I'm loving the JC geekery over dates! It had never occurred to me to work it all out, maybe I'm one of those intellectual dolts like Taggie and Rupert - although not sure what my redeeming skill would be, certainly not cooking or showjumping.

Doesn't Lysander love Donald Duck Lizzie? He definitely has a jersey, doesn't he? They all seem to have Disney characters knitted onto jerseys at one point!

Must try and think of a question...

CallMeMousie · 20/03/2016 15:38

Ok, what was the name of the O'Haras' cat?

Trills · 20/03/2016 16:07

Oh hellair!

Have you got to the bit where Helen has some sticky stuff (some kind of deodorant?) either on her bush or up in her fanjo? What IS it? Is it something that people in the 80s would have recognised or was everyone just as perplexed as me?

FenellaFerranti · 20/03/2016 16:21

Yes I always assumed it was some kind of feminine hygiene product, doesn't Rupert tell her he likes her au naturel? He seems so dreadfully sexually exciting and adventurous at first but then quite borish and perfunctory towards the end of his marriage to Helen - she does seem to chop and change a lot in Riders

BeautifulMaudOHara · 20/03/2016 16:30

God knows what the feminine hygiene product is, ewww!

No idea on the cat's name! But yes to a quiz!

BeautifulMaudOHara · 20/03/2016 16:35

I reckon that was when advertising was trying to sell us all 'feminine deodorant'

BeautifulMaudOHara · 20/03/2016 16:38

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JillyTheDependableBoot · 20/03/2016 16:48

Mousie Wandering Aengus Grin

What new name did Jake give McCaulay after rescuing him from the stone quarry?

JillyTheDependableBoot · 20/03/2016 16:50

She just describes it as a vaginal deodorant. Then Rupert washes it off and shags her Envy

BeautifulMaudOHara · 20/03/2016 16:51

I ought to know that Macaulay question, I've only just finished the book
It isn't Revenge is it?

JillyTheDependableBoot · 20/03/2016 16:57

Nope, not Revenge. And I ought to know how to spell Macaulay. Blush

Trills · 20/03/2016 16:58

"the wet, hot nettles gave off a heady blackcurrant scent".

Lovely description, but has anyone ever thought that nettles smell of blackcurrant?

BeautifulMaudOHara · 20/03/2016 17:13

I just cheated and looked it up, Nightshade!

The scene where he bucks Rupert off and chases him around the ring is hilarious

BeautifulMaudOHara · 20/03/2016 17:14

Not, I've never noticed nettles smelling of blackcurrant either

ChessieFL · 20/03/2016 17:42

Helen thought she was putting on some sort of vaginal deodorant, but she'd picked up the wrong thing and used hair laquer by mistake.

LittleBearPad · 20/03/2016 17:46

Only read Riders once versus the multitude of times I've read Rivals and Polo.

Trills · 20/03/2016 17:48

Ah, thanks Chessie!

Vaginal deodorant - that was a thing was it?

And hair lacquer - that was also a thing that one might have lying around?

ChessieFL · 20/03/2016 17:49

I never realised Jilly mixed up the LA and Moscow olympics! I guess, as you say, this was artistic licence.

BalloonSlayer · 20/03/2016 18:32

No she didn't use hair lacquer, that's just what Rupert says to express his dislike of it. I expect it was something like Femfresh or something new-fangled and American that a red-blooded Englishman like Rupert would consider unnatural. See also: disinfectant discs in the toilets and his comments about "it'll be musical lavatory paper next" or something.

CallMeMousie · 20/03/2016 18:51

Oh yes Balloon because the dogs drink from the loo and he's accuses her of trying to poison them!

Arpege · 20/03/2016 19:00

Hello all!

I'm cheating a bit as I'm not currently re reading the book (got a queue of stuff I need to read before I lose several weeks to Jilly) but I've been dipping in and out of this thread between dinner/bath/bed.

I did a Jilly quiz for a MN thread a loooong time ago now, wish I could find it again! I bet it was in chat and has gone Sad

Arpege · 20/03/2016 19:10

I'm afraid my quiz has gone but I did find this one

Trills · 20/03/2016 19:11

Helen does keep on failing to eat, doesn't she? Even when she's just made sandwiches for other people.

Jilly does not have a healthy relationship with food or weight.

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