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Riders - Jilly Cooper Book Club

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JillyCooperBookClub · 14/03/2016 09:53

It was a perfect spring day. Thickening crimson buds fretted a love-in-the-mist blue sky. The banks were draped with crocuses of the same Lenten purple as the altar cloth. A host of golden daffodils, retarded by the bitter winter, had just reached their prime and nodded their pale heads in approval.

Thus Helen falls for Rupert, and I fell for Jilly Cooper: against our upbringing and our better judgement, and despite every single red flag.

Riders wasn't my first Jilly Cooper, but the first I sought out, after a few stolen pages of another under dappled sun on Guide Camp as a teenager.

It starts deceptively happily, with gymkhanas and very proper sexless dates. But we mustn't be fooled: at every point every character is being judged by every other, and found wanting. Character flaws, damaging childhoods, trauma and tragedy: frankly it's a wonder any one of them made it to adulthood.

Rupert's friendship with Billy predates the neglect and misery of his childhood, so unsurprisingly it is the only healthy and unconditional human relationship he has.

There couldn't be much wrong with Rupert if he inspired friendship like this.

Rupert shivered, suddenly reminded of the desolation of Sunday nights at school, summoned by bells to Evensong, followed by cold ham and bread and marge for supper, and everyone else coming back feeling homesick from days out with their parents. Rupert had never really had a proper home to feel sick about.

And indeed it will be some years before he finds one.

We discussed on the general thread that Rupert is a bit, well, rapey. In Riders he has precisely zero respect for any woman's body autonomy (the very first time he and Helen meet he thrusts his hand into her jumper) and once he has any declared rights over a woman he takes absolute possession of her body.

With a colossal feeling of triumph he pushed her back on to the bed and began to move downwards, kissing her ribs, then her belly.

"No," she gasped, grabbing his head.

Firmly he removed her hands. "Shut up. You're mine now, to do exactly what I like with."

The foursome in Kenya is deeply, deeply troubling. Billy doesn't seem to realise how unwilling Helen is until he has raped her; Rupert is more concerned with how his friends will perceive them, and his response to finding her as dry as a marathon runner's throat is to declare her "useless"; Janey is so turned on by Rupert she doesn't stop to think about it. All three of them assault her together, until she escapes.

Any minute she expected an enraged Rupert to appear and drag her back to the torture chamber.

But the others were enjoying themselves. [...] Playing games of their own, they carried on till morning.

Days later, she falls for Jake: physically and romantically the exact opposite of Rupert. It was inevitable, surely, and as little as I like her I have the greatest sympathy. But I'll never forgive Jake as long as I live.

When I first read Riders I identified strongly with Tory. Poor unloved Tory - considered a fat failure, whilst in truth neither fat nor failing. Jilly is horribly judgemental about an ounce of spare fat on anyone, but she shows us that however miserable Tory might be, she is beautiful and perfect:

She was tallish and big boned, with a huge bust that bounced up and down as she walked. However she stood on the scales, she weighed eleven stone.

(Note: at 5'8", "tallish", that's a BMI of 23.4, and she promptly loses nine pounds when she falls in love, taking her to 22.5)

Actually she was much less far without her clothes on; rather splendid, in fact.

Tory is capable and loyal and loving and stoic and all the characteristics of a balanced human being. She doesn't expect Jake to love her; it's enough that she loves him.

"She loved you," said Fen bitterly. "Isa, Darklis, me, the horses, Wolf, were only extensions of how much she loved you. She knew you didn't love her, but she felt you needed her. That made life easier, that was enough."

"Oh, Christ," Jake groaned, putting his head in his hands. "I only realised in LA how much I loved her. [...] She always seemed so strong that she could cope with anything. I didn't realise I meant so much to her."

[...]

Frantic, he took her in his arms, trying to warm some life into the frail body.

"Don't die," he pleaded for the thousandth time. "Please don't die."

"Jake," came the faintest, faintest whisper.

I was going to talk about snobbery and class, and the animals, and the culture of celebrity, and the freedom of wealth, and Billy, and Malise, and political marriages, and fidelity, but I can't, because tears are streaming down my face yet again and my nose is running. So to cheer myself up, and to evidence Jilly's brilliance, I'll leave you with my favourite exchange:

"Will it be very fancy tonight?"
"Not particularly."
"Shall I wear pants?
Rupert's eyes gleamed. That was getting somewhere. "Certainly not," he said.
[...]
"Chicken, you are wearing pants. What's this?" he pinged the elastic."
"Panties," said Helen quickly. "You thought I'd go to a party without panties?"

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BalloonSlayer · 16/03/2016 16:52

I love the way you end up rooting for Rupert at the end. You can't believe you are doing it, you can't believe you feel sorry for him. It's very clever of her.

Reading the foursome scene again, Janey and Billy seem oblivious to Helen's reluctance, she says "I can't" and tries to run away but these exchanges are private between her and Rupert and Billy and Janey are oblivious to them. I think from their perspective she is consenting because they haven't heard what she has said.

I suspect the rape scene, as Jilly saw it was meant to come across as: "Rupert knows Helen doesn't want to do it and forces her but as rape within marriage does not exist he has done nothing criminal. From Janey and Billy's point of view her lack of actual refusal is taken as consent and her reluctance is taken as shyness." Whereas now we would see it as: "Rape within marriage does exist so Rupert has committed a serious crime. And as for Billy and Janey: you need explicit consent from a sexual partner, especially when trying something new, furthermore if you notice that someone is not enjoying themselves during a sexual encounter it is your duty to stop or you are committing a rape/assault."

Thurlow · 16/03/2016 16:58

Thats' really interesting, Balloon. I suspect you are right, given the period when it was written.

whattheseithakasmean · 16/03/2016 17:00

Isn't Riders the one where Rupert is cruel to his horse Mcauley and Jake has to rescue it?

It is odd, usually Jilly ensures anyone who is cruel to animals is a baddie. She seems to do a volte-face with Rupert and fall in love with him (and go of Jake) even though Rupert abused his horse.

I expect Jilly to be pretty hard on women, so the rapey stuff is par for the course, but I was seriously shocked by her condoning horse abuse - now that really is not on!

BalloonSlayer · 16/03/2016 17:06

I suspect as she was drawing to the end of the book she found she had grown fond of Rupert and wanted to do more with him (so to speak Wink ). So she made him nicer! Women (like Helen) always think they can change men, but only Jilly could change Rupert - because she created him!

YoureAllABunchOfBastards · 16/03/2016 17:29

I've just got to the point where Helen and Rupert are about to marry. He should have run a mile.

JillyTheDependableBoot · 16/03/2016 17:52

Completely agree that JC basically changed her mind about Jake and Rupert during the course of the book. Jake's affair with Helen is the key to this I think - before that, Jake had just been neglectful of Tory but never unfaithful, whereas for Rupert it meant him becoming a wronged husband and therefore more sympathetic as a character.

The thing of Rupert abusing his horses is actually addressed in Rivals.

JillyTheDependableBoot · 16/03/2016 17:57

Also, I imagine that after the book came out JC and her publishers would have become aware of all of us pashing after Rupert, so there was a real incentive to include him in subsequent books and make him ever more sympathetic (which she does very skilfully, without him ever losing his essential Rupert-ness).

MrsHathaway · 16/03/2016 18:06

Yy he beats Macaulay (because even he doesn't beat his actual wife) and sells him to work in the Arab quarries. Jake gets a tip off.

I'd forgotten Fen's disasters with (a) the short hairdo, (b) the tight new jodhpurs and (c) the Italian minister.

whattheseithakasmean · 16/03/2016 18:24

Yes, she really does change her mind between Rupert & Jake. Although Jake is rotten to Tory & unfaithful, he never treats her as badly as Rupert treats Helen. But more importantly, Jake rescues Macauley, so he remains my hero. Women can walk away from a bad'un, but animals have no choice.

Diamogs · 16/03/2016 19:07

YY to the abuse of Macauley being touched on in Rivals, not that it excuses it. And also spoiler alert on the off chance that there is anyone out there that has never read Riders Macauley gets his own back on him

BeautifulMaudOHara · 16/03/2016 19:41

Jake is unfaithful to Tory, with Rupert's groom, who tips him off about Revenge!

MoggieMealAl · 16/03/2016 19:48

The character I really dislike is Janey. She fucks everything up for Billy after being disappointed that she doesn't get the world on a plate having married him, assaults Helen, is thoroughly unpleasant to almost everyone and yet seems to face no consequences at all.

And bit about putting the red fingerprints on the toilet wall. Yeuch.

CallMeMousie · 16/03/2016 20:03

Oh looks like Jilly is judging 'Scruffts' on C4 right now.

Agree Janey is annoying. I can't bear characters who just keep on fucking up and making awful decisions - she just lurches from one idiotic decision to another with no redeeming thought process!

YoureAllABunchOfBastards · 16/03/2016 20:12

Also agree re:Janey. I did think she was a bit of a self portrait but then Jilly could never be such a PITA.

I think that although Rupert is a right bastard in Riders, he redeems himself so much in Rivals that everything is forgiven. I like a good character arc.

BeautifulMaudOHara · 16/03/2016 20:12

Yes I'm not liking Janey either, I've just got to the bit where she's unfaithful to Billy with Kev, eww - how could she? I used to think Janey was Jilly but I'm not sure now.

BalloonSlayer · 16/03/2016 20:48

I love the bit where she doesn't want Billy to carry her because she hasn't managed to get down to nine stone - she's nine stone seven and "he'd rupture himself." Grin

I'm nine stone seven and most people consider me fairly slim. I don't think even DH would have a problem carrying me (should the need arise) - a sportsman like Billy would have no trouble at all!

In that last awful book of Jilly's - Jump, is it? - the heroine is sort of freed by her husband dying, she has been his carer. I did wonder whether that was autobiographical. One of the things the character doesn't miss about her husband is that he used to weigh her every day. Shock Again I did wonder if that was Jilly's experience and led to her weird obsession with weight.

caitlinohara · 16/03/2016 21:25

I do love lots of the description of Janey though because it rings true - the bit where she says she doesn't want to go back to standing on freezing tube platforms in the morning and turning up to work in last night's dress and everyone knew you hadn't been home... That seems based on either JC's own experience or someone she knew.

JillyTheDependableBoot · 16/03/2016 22:05

I think Janey is definitely a very harsh self-portrait.

Poor JC - Leo Cooper was not the easiest man to be married to. She wrote TMWMHJ after he had a long affair, as a kind of catharsis.

I arranged to interview her, years ago, for a magazine I worked for, I was SO excited, and she ended up cancelling at the last minute because he was being a cunt, basically. I swore at the time I'd never read another of her books. Yeah, right.

BeautifulMaud I'm cheating and not actually rereading the book, but I do remember the bit you're referring to with Jake and the groom. Does he actually shag her, though?

YoureAllABunchOfBastards · 17/03/2016 07:31

Yes, he does shag Marion - re-read that bit last night

MrsHathaway · 17/03/2016 10:03

We haven't mentioned any of the actual jumping.

Is it incidental? That is, is it just the framework upon which to build the relationships and characters?

JillyTheDependableBoot · 17/03/2016 10:26

I don't think so, MrsHathaway - JC is clearly fascinated by the technical side of showjumping and researched it really thoroughly (as her blog shows she's done with racehorse breeding for the new book). I think she rode and hunted as a child so she knows quite a bit about horses anyway. I think the showjumping scenes are brilliant - it's incredibly hard to write about stuff like that in a way that's convincing for readers who know about the subject but not boring for those who don't. The steeplechase scenes in Jump are far less successful I thought - far too long-winded.

JillyTheDependableBoot · 17/03/2016 10:27

How many times did I write "think" in one post? Confused

MrsHathaway · 17/03/2016 14:22

Sorry, yes, it's definitely not incidental for her and everything I know about showjumping comes from Riders but so far it's been incidental to the book club!

A lot of it is a bit ... I don't know, contrived. They win by one fault far too often, and always when they're jumping last. I know it's a standard literary device and it happens even more often in the fanfic but it sometimes feels awkward.

BeautifulMaudOHara · 17/03/2016 19:30

I think the jumping is interesting - it is almost incidental but not really (crap explanations R Us!) - it adds drama and competition.

And the horses are just more characters but we don't get as much detail about their inner lives.

Feenie · 17/03/2016 22:10

Yy to Jamey being an absolute bitch. I felt so.sorry for Fen when she turned up at the house.

As for bloody fingerprints on the public toilet wall, have often wondered what kind of dirty bitch does that. Rank.

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