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NOTHING TASTES AS GOOD AS BEING SLIM FEELS

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MamaG · 09/05/2010 11:45

lets just pretend that other thread Never Happened.

it must Never Be Mentioned Again.

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VoulezVouzCrochezAvecJACK · 13/05/2010 19:59

Oh chibs. Okay,. WHEN did you weigh yourself?
hOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN That weight (sorry)

I read something v intersting on the idiot proof diet forjum the other night about this, will try and find it for you,.

VoulezVouzCrochezAvecJACK · 13/05/2010 20:01

Oh sorry, it's veyr long, but worth a read if you can bear it

from pig2twig site, you have to join to see it

STALLS -- WHY THE SCALES CAN LIE
A biologist at Berkeley shared something very revealing on the low-carb BBS system about 4 years ago that helps us all through the erratic weight fluctuations you invariably encounter: Fat cells are resilient, stubborn little creatures that do not want to give up their actual cell volume. Over a period of weeks, maybe months of "proper dieting", each of your fat cells may have actually lost a good percentage of the actual fat contained in those cells. But the fat cells themselves, stubborn little guys, replace that lost fat with water to retain their size. That is, instead of shrinking to match the reduced amount of fat in the cell, they stay the same size! Result - you weigh the same, look the same, maybe even gained some scale weight, even though you have actually lost some serious fat.
The good news is that this water replacement is temporary. It's a defensive measure to keep your body from changing too rapidly. It allows the fat cell to counter the rapid change in cell composition, allowing for a slow, gradual reduction in cell size. The problem is, most people are frustrated with their apparent lack of success, assume they have lost nothing, and stop dieting.
However, if you give those fat cells some time, like 4-6 months, and ignore the scale weight fluctuations, your real weight/shape will slowly begin to show. The moral of the story - be patient! Your body is changing even if the number on the scale isn't.

PATTERNS OF WEIGHT LOSS
Common patterns of weight loss from tracking a lot of people who become assimilated into the lowcarb lifestyle (hehe...resistance is futile!) a pattern emerges.... the 2 week induction is pretty heady...weight lost just about every single day, enormous and unbelievable amounts of weight loss are reported. This is often followed by complaints that weight loss "stalls" or that the rate drops to only 1 pound per week.
Many people just don't know that fat-loss ...the actual goal when on a weight-reduction" diet, is rate-limited. In other words, the human body has factors that prevent more than a certain amount of fatty-acid release from storage...and even more factors that prevent those released fatty acids from being used up instead of stored back into the fat cells.
A priority of the human body is survival. Anything that threatens its survival results in the cascade of events to maintain the previous status quo. Water fluctuations are one way the body does this. OK...so you done good on Atkins' during induction...lost 10 pounds the first 2 weeks. Maybe 7 the first week and 3 the second. But, whoa!Weeks 3 and 4 there is NO loss! And weeks 5 and 6 is only 1/2 pound each!
So... what gives? Initially, the body jettisons the water attached to the glycogen stores that we diligently deplete to get into ketosis...this accounts for about 3-5 pounds of water. In addition, muscle stores of glycogen are not being replaced when used...which will account for the rest. All in all...MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized during the first week... and MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized the 2nd week. Of that 10 initial pounds, only 1 pound was fat and 9 pounds water... The body senses this lack and sirens start shrieking: Warning! Warning! Losing water... new thing...got to get back to the status quo! Brain tells body to produce and release that vasopressin antidiuretic hormone....more water is retained, and no weight loss noticed. Fat loss is still occuring, MAYBE even 2 pounds per week, because ketosis is firmly established and appetite supression is in effect...but water retention is hiding that continuing fat loss. The body is preventing dehydration with this mechanism, and that's a good thing.
From the perspective of the scale, it can be discouraging. Which is why the mantra: Water retention masks fat loss (repeated frequently to oneself ) is helpful. Water retention will mask ongoing fat-loss for as long as the body retains the water. We can combat this by drinking more water...but we aren't going to totally overcome this mechanism during the initial water-loss phase of the Atkins diet. By weeks 5 and 6, things start to get back in balance, and the scale will begin to reflect the true fat-loss...which, as mentioned before is rate-limited. Individuals vary, but max weight loss runs about 2 pounds per week...under extremely optimal conditions... or 1% of body weight (whichever is the lower number).

So don't use the scale as an excuse to undermine your progress. Even when the scale is in a stall, fat loss can be occuring.
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Taken from
www.primusweb.com/fitnesspartner/library/weight/scale.htm

We?ve been told over an over again that daily weighing is unnecessary, yet many of us can?t resist peeking at that number every morning. If you just can?t bring yourself to toss the scale in the trash, you should definitely familiarize yourself with the factors that influence it?s readings. From water retention to glycogen storage and changes in lean body mass, daily weight fluctuations are normal. They are not indicators of your success or failure. Once you understand how these mechanisms work, you can free yourself from the daily battle with the bathroom scale.

Water makes up about 60% of total body mass. Normal fluctuations in the body?s water content can send scale-watchers into a tailspin if they don?t understand what?s happening. Two factors influencing water retention are water consumption and salt intake. Strange as it sounds, the less water you drink, the more of it your body retains. If you are even slightly dehydrated your body will hang onto it?s water supplies with a vengeance, possibly causing the number on the scale to inch upward. The solution is to drink plenty of water.

Excess salt (sodium) can also play a big role in water retention. A single teaspoon of salt contains over 2,000 mg of sodium. Generally, we should only eat between 1,000 and 3,000 mg of sodium a day, so it?s easy to go overboard. Sodium is a sneaky substance. You would expect it to be most highly concentrated in salty chips, nuts, and crackers. However, a food doesn?t have to taste salty to be loaded with sodium. A half cup of instant pudding actually contains nearly four times as much sodium as an ounce of salted nuts, 460 mg in the pudding versus 123 mg in the nuts. The more highly processed a food is, the more likely it is to have a high sodium content. That?s why, when it comes to eating, it?s wise to stick mainly to the basics: fruits, vegetables, lean meat, beans, and whole grains. Be sure to read the labels on canned foods, boxed mixes, and frozen dinners.

Women may also retain several pounds of water prior to menstruation. This is very common and the weight will likely disappear as quickly as it arrives. Pre-menstrual water-weight gain can be minimized by drinking plenty of water, maintaining an exercise program, and keeping high-sodium processed foods to a minimum.

Another factor that can influence the scale is glycogen. Think of glycogen as a fuel tank full of stored carbohydrate. Some glycogen is stored in the liver and some is stored the muscles themselves. This energy reserve weighs more than a pound and it?s packaged with 3-4 pounds of water when it?s stored. Your glycogen supply will shrink during the day if you fail to take in enough carbohydrates. As the glycogen supply shrinks you will experience a small imperceptible increase in appetite and your body will restore this fuel reserve along with it?s associated water. It?s normal to experience glycogen and water weight shifts of up to 2 pounds per day even with no changes in your calorie intake or activity level. These fluctuations have nothing to do with fat loss, although they can make for some unnecessarily dramatic weigh-ins if you?re prone to obsessing over the number on the scale.

Otherwise rational people also tend to forget about the actual weight of the food they eat. For this reason, it?s wise to weigh yourself first thing in the morning before you?ve had anything to eat or drink. Swallowing a bunch of food before you step on the scale is no different than putting a bunch of rocks in your pocket. The 5 pounds that you gain right after a huge dinner is not fat. It?s the actual weight of everything you?ve had to eat and drink. The added weight of the meal will be gone several hours later when you?ve finished digesting it.

Exercise physiologists tell us that in order to store one pound of fat, you need to eat 3,500 calories more than your body is able to burn. In other words, to actually store the above dinner as 5 pounds of fat, it would have to contain a whopping 17,500 calories. This is not likely, in fact it?s not humanly possible. So when the scale goes up 3 or 4 pounds overnight, rest easy, it?s likely to be water, glycogen, and the weight of your dinner. Keep in mind that the 3,500 calorie rule works in reverse also. In order to lose one pound of fat you need to burn 3,500 calories more than you take in. Generally, it?s only possible to lose 1-2 pounds of fat per week. When you follow a very low calorie diet that causes your weight to drop 10 pounds in 7 days, it?s physically impossible for all of that to be fat. What you?re really losing is water, glycogen, and muscle.

This brings us to the scale?s sneakiest attribute. It doesn?t just weigh fat. It weighs muscle, bone, water, internal organs and all. When you lose "weight," that doesn?t necessarily mean that you?ve lost fat. In fact, the scale has no way of telling you what you?ve lost (or gained). Losing muscle is nothing to celebrate. Muscle is a metabolically active tissue. The more muscle you have the more calories your body burns, even when you?re just sitting around. That?s one reason why a fit, active person is able to eat considerably more food than the dieter who is unwittingly destroying muscle tissue.

Robin Landis, author of "Body Fueling," compares fat and muscles to feathers and gold. One pound of fat is like a big fluffy, lumpy bunch of feathers, and one pound of muscle is small and valuable like a piece of gold. Obviously, you want to lose the dumpy, bulky feathers and keep the sleek beautiful gold. The problem with the scale is that it doesn?t differentiate between the two. It can?t tell you how much of your total body weight is lean tissue and how much is fat. There are several other measuring techniques that can accomplish this, although they vary in convenience, accuracy, and cost. Skin-fold calipers pinch and measure fat folds at various locations on the body, hydrostatic (or underwater) weighing involves exhaling all of the air from your lungs before being lowered into a tank of water, and bioelectrical impedance measures the degree to which your body fat impedes a mild electrical current.

If the thought of being pinched, dunked, or gently zapped just doesn?t appeal to you, don?t worry. The best measurement tool of all turns out to be your very own eyes. How do you look? How do you feel? How do your clothes fit? Are your rings looser? Do your muscles feel firmer? These are the true measurements of success. If you are exercising and eating right, don?t be discouraged by a small gain on the scale. Fluctuations are perfectly normal. Expect them to happen and take them in stride. It?s a matter of mind over scale.

DukesOfTripHazard · 13/05/2010 20:03

Or stop exercising for a few days? [lazy fecker]

VoulezVouzCrochezAvecJACK · 13/05/2010 20:05

SO basically, are you drinking enough?

Undertone - gorgeous, flowers and you.

VoulezVouzCrochezAvecJACK · 13/05/2010 20:13

Is everyone reading or have I killed it?

TotalChaos · 13/05/2010 20:17

blondie connections, and bookish influenced names (contented sigh).

I am a right biffer - 12st 11 - but was 14st 12 on Boxing Day, so am progressing at a dull, steady 1lb per week. I do 30 mins exercise per day, count fat grams and eat 1500 calories. I can't be arsed to low carb.

chibi - that article posted explains in clever technical terms what I always find - that weight loss just isn't linear, some weeks you seem to lose none, others you lose twice as much

Undertone · 13/05/2010 20:17

I'm reading! Really interesting - very encouraging.

And you've given me a lovely big smiley ego boost as well

chibi · 13/05/2010 20:18

Thanks

it's just so frustrating

I want to keep going, especially with the running

I am so not athletic and I am amazed at how far I can run now

also my toddler dd says 'i run like mummy' I feel like I am being a good example to her

I think I thought it would be easier/quicker

prekids I was effortlessly a size 10-12, I have never dieted before I need to stop whingeing and get back in the zone

thanks jack that mega post was v v encouraging

VoulezVouzCrochezAvecJACK · 13/05/2010 20:19

Funny chaos, I can't be arsed to calorie count
A dull steady 1lb is just right though, any more and it's water, slow and steady goes it

dinkystinky · 13/05/2010 20:23

So did you type that all in then jack?

Keep up with the running but do try interval training - is amazing for calorie burn.

isthatporridgeinyourzone · 13/05/2010 20:32

I've hit a wall too Chibi (would like to lose a few more pounds) - I feel your pain, but am determined to carry on eating healthily becahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (cat sat on puter), as I was saying, because I do not want to get fat again and then have to lose a stone again. It's too depressing not fitting into your clothes.

smallishsheep · 13/05/2010 20:37

Bah, thread taking an age to load.
Am a total convert to Idiot Proof Diet, it works and is sustainable. I eat carbs now, probably more than I should, but I am aware of just how much sugar in particular I used to pack away every day. No wonder I was bloody fat. I put on a lot of weight when pg with ds, and after when I had PND, and one of my real real cravings was orange juice. I thought it was very healthy. It's packed with sugar (albeit natural) and I was downing about 2 litres a day
I have a cunning plan to avoid sneaky weight gain though. All the clothes I have in my wardrobe are the perfect fit. There's not much wiggle room, so I'll know if I have been biffing too much

VoulezVouzCrochezAvecJACK · 13/05/2010 21:03

What is the idiot proof diet?
I am shocked now I think about what I ate before The Zone. Everytime I went to the shp I would buy bics or cakes or nice bread or sweets, and invariably hoof them myself. Ugh.
Today I saw an advert for the new dairy milk caramel biscuit thing and thought, ew, that sounds really overly sweet!

I think I buggered thread with that mass post I hate it when it gets near 800, my shit nokia won't load it.

dinkystinky · 13/05/2010 21:16

Jack - you broke the thread!! Do penance and set up a new one please...

VoulezVouzCrochezAvecJACK · 13/05/2010 22:12

THREAD CLOSED DUE TO MY COPYING AND PASTING
new thread here

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