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The Giving Up Diets For Good Support Thread 1

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WhatWouldOliviaPopeDo · 22/03/2018 06:35

Lately there have been a few threads lately from Mumsnetters who are either desperate to get off the treadmill of dieting, or who have already made the decision to quit but are struggling to eat normally again after depriving themselves for so long (like this one and this one). A few of us agreed that a dedicated thread to those giving up dieting was worth setting up, so here it is. We've put it in Weight Loss Chat because it most likely place for people to find us because, let's face it, it's trying to succeed and failing at weight loss that has brought us to this point.

This thread is a place for people to seek support from others in the same boat. It is NOT a thread on which to recommend diets. However well-meaning your intentions may be by doing that, please understand that the reason we are all on this thread is because we've reached the point where we know diets simply don't work for us and we are looking for another way to maintain our health and overcome the psychological issues that years of dieting and disordered eating has inflicted upon us. If anyone persists in promoting diets, we shall - in the nicest possible way! - ask you to remove your post or get MNHQ to do it for us.

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WhatWouldOliviaPopeDo · 06/04/2018 22:48

I'm going to remind everyone of the OP and how this isn't a thread on which to promote forms of dieting, however well meaning you think you're being. If you want to discuss restricting calories, please do so elsewhere. Thanks! Smile

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CiderwithBuda · 06/04/2018 23:00

If that’s aimed at the Rebelfit issue - it’s not calorie restriction. But ok.

Belonger · 07/04/2018 07:41

Love this colonel:
"I’m not happy with my weight, I wouldn’t choose it. But I’ve decided to not spend another second agonising over my body. Instead I need to concentrate on looking after it, being kind to myself and making it feel good."
How much time we waste hating our poor bodies, which are only doing their best to take care of us.

WhatWouldOliviaPopeDo · 07/04/2018 08:51

Rebelfit is strongly anti-diet but not necessarily anti-calorie counting, cider, so it's a tough one! I think we should just be mindful of what triggers people into panicking that they need to diet, so really it's coming on and saying "I eat xxxx calories a day" that we want to avoid.

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WhatWouldOliviaPopeDo · 07/04/2018 08:52

So to answer your question, it wasn't Rebelfit mention that prompted my post.

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WhatWouldOliviaPopeDo · 07/04/2018 08:59

Anyhow, I got to my parents' house and despite my best intentions ended up weighing myself. I think deep down I was more bothered by my trying on clothes experience than I realised. I honestly thought I must've put on a stone since quitting dieting two-and-a-half months ago, yet the scales said it's only been 2lbs! That's on the back of an indulgent Easter as well. So I think I'm actually doing okay. Now I just need to learn how to accept that while I might not get any bigger, I might not get smaller either, and that's still hard to swallow (no pun intended). Any advice on accepting that from MNetters who are further down the line with no dieting???

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spleenyone · 07/04/2018 09:44

So much of what you are all saying resonates with me completely. I have done every diet going, sometimes with success but I am still at least 5 stones over a healthy weight. I made a conscious decision to ditch the diets last summer and I reckon I'm about half a stone lighter since last August. I want to be lighter and healthier but after nearly 30 years of diets I know they don't work, so I'm just keeping on trying to focus on proper meals and not obsessing over food. My relationship with food has been totally disordered since childhood and I need to focus on putting good food into my body and not punishing myself. Good luck to all of you, this is a brilliant thread and I'll try to keep checking in with you all.

CiderwithBuda · 07/04/2018 11:24

I get what you’re saying Olivia. You pointed out to me earlier in th thread that I might not be ready to give up diets. I’m certainly not ready to NOT want to lose weight so I suppose there is my answer. However I want a steady healthy approach. Not a diet. I want to fuel my body with healthy foods. I want to move away from the mindset that certain foods are bad. I want balance. I want to get fit and flexible. I don’t want anything that is going to provoke an all or nothing response. Nothing usually being a couple of months of eating and drinking crap and not exercising because I’m ‘off’ plan. It has to be all about balance and health. So I will bow out of this thread as I don’t want to make anyone uncomfortable. And I’m obviously not in the same mindset.

And as you say whilst Rebelfit is anti diet it is a form of calorie restriction.

Hope all goes well for you all. Hope Messy is ok as she hasn’t posted for a bit.

WhatWouldOliviaPopeDo · 07/04/2018 13:04

I'm certainly not ready to NOT want to lose weight

I think you've hit the nail on the head for all of us, Cider! I'm torn between feeling brilliant that I'm no longer obsessing about calories to feeling down/worrying that I'll always be the size I am and I can now see this that giving up dieting is definitely more of a mental challenge than a physical one! But, right now, for me, not being in a constant diet mentality is far more appealing, plus I haven't piled on a ton of weight as I feared I would. I'm also doing more exercise because I'm starting to WANT to be healthy, rather than it being an enforced thing, if that makes sense.

And yes, I'm concerned Messy hasn't posted too. I hope she's okay. She was in a tough place when she started this.

It was brilliant to read your post, spleen! You sound like you're in a good place with regards to letting go of dieting and that your body is slowly readjusting. Keep up the good work! Flowers

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Belonger · 07/04/2018 13:21

olivia I think it must just take time and kindness to ourselves - after all, it's massively going against EVERYTHING we see around us, to accept our bodies as they are. The whole economy relies on ensuring people are dissatisfied! So every billboard we see, every show we watch, every magazine or newspaper all contain images and messages that basically communicate that's its not OK to be content with how you look and feel.

So it is going to be very challenging to change our mindset! And I wonder if it's something we have to commit to afresh all the time not a one time change. Because we are swimming in dieting culture all the time, so have to keep reminding ourselves to be kind and accepting.

Writing this, I'm realising that's partly why it was such a joy to find this thread - it reminded me that this is important to me.

Belonger · 07/04/2018 13:26

Another thing I realised a couple of years ago, I was on a meditation retreat so had lots of time to reflect and I realised that I have been holding my stomach in for 40 years. 40 actual years of, to some extent holding myself in and not fully relaxing my body. Wtaf?? I was so sad for my poor unloved body when I realised. But that didn't mean it was easy to suddenly accept the shape I am when I don't pull my tummy in. It has taken months to get used to seeing a different shape in the mirror, to accept that. I'm lucky that I socialise mostly with women who are also into aging naturally, and that is so lovely to have around me.

Belonger · 07/04/2018 13:29

I live this

The Giving Up Diets For Good Support Thread 1
Belonger · 07/04/2018 13:30

Oops sorry, I meant I love it, not live it

WhatWouldOliviaPopeDo · 07/04/2018 13:42

Oh Belonger, that anecdote about your tummy made me tear up. 40 years of not letting yourself relax! And you're right, it probably is something we'll have to commit to afresh over and over again, rather than it be the simple situation of flicking a switch and being fine. This thread is helping me so much - when I had my wobble this week after the shopping expedition and I thought about downloading the calorie counter app again, one of the things that stopped me was the thought of having to come on here and admit I'd given up! Having started the thread, I feel I owe it to everyone to be a good example and I'm really happy doing that!

I love that quote too. I should say it about myself in front of my daughter. I don't think I ever have. Sad

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Belonger · 07/04/2018 15:41

Oh please do Olivia! Let your daughter hear you say how content you are with your amazing body and everything it can do! That is the most powerful thing we can do for girls I think, it's no good us telling them they are beautiful as they are if they see us feeling fat and hating ourselves. I'm passionate about it!!!

WhatWouldOliviaPopeDo · 07/04/2018 16:45

Thanks Belonger, I'm going to do exactly that going forward!

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colonelgoldfish · 08/04/2018 08:11

Belonger - what a fab quote! I’m definitely aiming to speak well about my body around DD. Diet talk is banned from my DC’s bearing too.

I feel so positive at the moment. Yesterday we went on a small trip to visit family, lunch and dinner were eaten out. Usually I’d either be stressing about what to eat that would fit with whatever plan I was doing. Or I’d have decided that I’d take the day off the plan and get back on tomorrow - leading to me going completely off the rails and stuffing in as much as I could. But yesterday I didn’t, I just had what I wanted and I actually chose some really healthy and tasty meals. I forwent my usual fish and chips for jacket potato and salad not because I felt I should or it was fewer calories etc but because it’s what I fancied. And delicious it was too. I’m not saying the fish and chips would’ve been a wrong choice, but I Was thinking about what I felt like, how my body would feel afterwords etc.

I did have some easter chocolate when I got home too completely guilt free!

Catwin0 · 08/04/2018 09:16

Hi,

I have just discovered this thread and really want to join you all. Have had a lifetime of diets and struggles. Terribly disappointing results with several request for counselling through GP, BEAT, who all say, after endless referrals and times when I pour my heart out, that I am not eligible for counselling because my binges are not massive. Ie, five times a cay when I eat biscuits, toast etc is not considered an ED because I do not eat a whole packet of biscuits in one go. The endless hours I spend on the internet hunting for answers, buying new books etc does not seem to count either. The fact that my constant overeating and efforts to diet have now led me to being pre-diabetic. Have now finally given up with the NHS and it just seems that the only way I am going to save myself from an early death and all the com
Ications that arise from being overweight, is if I somehow manage to crack this myself. No idea how. I do know that any form of diet - I keep trying the Harcombe diet because it workd once before; but after one day yesterday sticking to it I just woke up determined to rebel and ended up having rather unpleasant toast, butter and honey for breakfast. I have always felt the anti-diet approach is important. Was in a self-help group in my twenties for this which was great, and even wrote and produced a play about how compulsive eating. But I struggle as I hate the fact that I slowly continue to put weight on, cannot fit into any of my clothes, cannot run as easily as I would like, and it has definitely affected my sex-life! So glad to have come across all of you as an antidote to all the current anti-carb messages. Still not sure bow best to treat my addiction, but cutting out carbs just makes me rebel.

WhatWouldOliviaPopeDo · 08/04/2018 09:52

Hey Catwin, welcome to the thread. Reading your post made me feel really sad, because it's quite clear you've tried everything and have reached the end of the tether. I know it might sound crazy, but when I got to the end of reading it my first thought was, "okay, catwin, the first thing you need to do is breathe out", like a long, big sigh! Because you sound so tense and unhappy. Sad
None of us can tell you exactly what to do, because we're all figuring it out for ourselves, but I was struck by something in your post - if all the experts are saying your bingeing isn't bad enough to warrant treatment, that's a good thing, right? You're not overeating as badly as you feared. So it's a starting point, something to focus on.
My journey is progressing in baby steps. First I had more bad days than good, then the good became more frequent. So maybe just give yourself a fortnight off dieting to start with and see how you get on and don't deny yourself carbs. Let yourself eat whatever your body tells you it wants. As colonel's uplifting post about the fish and chips reveals, eventually your body adjusts and seeks out healthy food when it fancies it. Mine's starting to do it, almost three months down the line. It's a long process but we're all here for hand-holding along the way.

colonel Your update is BRILLIANT! Isn't it just the most amazing feeling to be able to eat like a normal person?!

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Flightywoman · 08/04/2018 09:54

Fistbump Catwin

I did Harcombe and my god I lost lots very quickly but it's so bloody joyless! And it came back on as soon as moved to phase 2. And I think the science is really hokey too!

Catwin0 · 08/04/2018 11:15

Thanks Olivia for your reply. Just because counsellors I saw thought that my eating was not sufficent problem to warrant being referred further, definitely does not mean it is not that bad. As I said, I eat enough to slowly and constantly out on weight, and am now pre-diabetic. The amount of time I spend on the whole issue also grstly affects my life and relationships. I tried mentioning to my husband about this thread and my new decision to no longer try and stop eating carbs, and he was sceptical, so I shut up! He has an infuriating abulity ti simply decide not to eat carbs - his current thing - and just do it, or sometimes not but that does not throw him off his route.
Which is why I am so pleased to have discovered all of you!
People on the Harcombe forum are very friendly but also many are extremely obsessed about losing weight, and everyone is always falling “off the wagon”.
I would love to set up a local support group for people who want to explore and work through our eating difficulties, non weight-related. I have lots of ideas for activities. I have know of many mindful eating exercises I would like to do more of, and being in a group would be good. I also have resources from the self help group I was in years ago. I am used to creating workshops and classes (for the arts and mindfulness mainly), so feel confident I could start a group - even if not actually offer any answers!
I live in Surrey. Is anyone interested in meeting up?

Catwin0 · 08/04/2018 11:16

Just re-read this - sorry for all the typos. Am writing on my ipad and did not check it before posting!

WhatWouldOliviaPopeDo · 08/04/2018 11:49

Catwin Okay, I see what you mean – the counsellors have dismissed it as an issue but it's now causing you medical issues, so clearly it's a big problem you need to overcome. Sorry, I didn't mean to sound dismissive and hope it didn't come across like that!
It's funny you say that about your DH – when I told my partner I was giving up diets for good he was sceptical too and I can't say I blame him – in the decade we've been together, my yo-yo dieting has affected him too, because he never knew from one week to next what we'd be eating! But three months in, he's noticed the positive change in me and how much happier I am, so now he's really supportive.
I would love to have a local support group for this too. I'm in north London, so a bit far from you, but I think it's a terrific idea.

Oh, and to everyone asking about Messy - I've sent her a PM to see how she's doing, so I'll let you know if she responds. I'm really hoping she's just giving herself a break from all the diet talk, anti or otherwise, and is doing well.

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Catwin0 · 08/04/2018 12:53

Thanks Olivia.

MessyMcDoogle · 10/04/2018 14:57

Hi All,

Really sorry for the radio silence, I had a bit of a rough time of it and sent myself down a bit of a spiral. I'll explain what happened below, but just a quick trigger warning that it's not pretty and for anyone struggling with binge eating it might set you off. Sorry, but I think this thread is about honesty, so here goes:

So I binged. I can't remember when or why and it's not important, but it was shortly after I fell off this thread. It was possibly my worst one ever. It was like because I was fully aware this was a binge and named it that, I gave myself permission under the heading of 'this is not my fault, it's a illness' etc etc. Anyway, I ate approximately (approx. because I can't actually remember the full extent):
A 15 inch chicken bbq pizza
2 large portion of chips
20 chicken nuggets
10 mozerella sticks
A tube of pringles
an entire bottle of garlic mayo
A whole chocolate cake and a full pot of 300ml double cream

Approximately 17,000 calories if anyone's counting. There's probably more. It was a single sitting.

I was so ill (predictably) afterwards I felt absolutely rancid. I was up all night really thirsty but unable to drink because my stomach was so distended and full i kept bringing water back up, but couldnt bring the food up (I tried). It was the salt making me thirsty I imagine. I distinctly remember at that moment thinking 'this is rock bottom. I've hit it'.

From there i just couldnt get a grip of myself at all. I had 3 or 4 further binges, none as bad as that first one but probably about 7,000-10,000 cals each over the next 48 hours.

I called my GP on the 3rd day because I felt so bloody ill and I knew somewhere in my head I was in danger. I spoke to the practice nurse instead of the receptionist because I was already crying and couldnt get words out, and she asked me to go in and see her straight away so I did. She explained to me that over the phone she could hear I was in crisis and it was very obvious we needed to do something fairly rapidly. She got me an urgent referral to speak to a dietician who specialises in eating disorder recovery and I had a phone appointment with her the same night.

I spoke to her for a good 90 mins and she asked some really hard questions but really focused in on my dieting/ restricting.

She worked out that my average 'diet' day I only eat about 800-1200 cals which for a woman my size is nothing. So, despite going on about losing weight the healthy way etc etc, the fairly normal diet plans I was following were in no way designed for someone morbidly obese which is why they usually fail. I'm not talking VLCD here, this is weight watchers, slimming world, low carb, LCHF etc etc. Even when you can 'eat as much as you want' on those plans, they are still restrictive enough to prevent a morbidly obese person from consuming enough calories to live without food cravings. Couple that with a fucked up relationship with food and you've got both your body and your animal brain working against your conscious self, it's no wonder binges happen.

She was great. Anyway, she explained that although I'd already identified that dieting was a problem, the flip side of it was I have never had a time in my life unrestricted, hence why even though I knew all the theory behind healthy eating, my body didn't. So even when I 'wasnt restricting' my food I was still half-consciously tracking my calories and because I'd been used to eating so little calories, my view of a healthy diet for someone my size was still off, albeit I thought I need less food than I actually do. She explained that diet advice is designed for the average woman, who doesnt exist.. so ignore it all and listen to her Grin

So now, under her supervision (weekly calls, a monthly face to face meeting and she and a nurse have access to my food diary all the time) I'm tracking my food and eating between 1998 and 2597 calories a day. there's no rules other than that and I can eat less if I'm not hungry, but the target is that range. I'm not allowed to weigh myself at all, but she'll weigh me once a month at clinic but I won't be told the result. On the app I have to use there's a tracker for 5 a day and also water consumed, so she's told me to focus on those and see if I can achieve them every day.

That calorie range terrifies me. It's MASSIVE amounts of food (binges excluded) to eat in a day, but I suppose that's the point: it's not a restriction, it's just a guide to help me learn what someone my size actually should be eating.

I've been warned to keep well away from any talk of dieting or calorie counting and to understand if I do come across it (it's unavoidable really) that the people on 1400 calories or less are either in a decent weight range already or will fail and binge/ regain weight. It's that simple.

Anyway, that's where I'm at and thanks for everyone's concern and love, I'm doing ok and I feel like I've got a road out at least.

Much love Flowers