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Week 6 - Little Black Dress Low Carb Bootcamp - On the Downhill Stretch

301 replies

BIWI · 05/11/2012 06:48

Morning losers!

Here is the Spreadsheet of Wonderfulness for your viewing pleasure

Four weeks to go!
Short but sweet OP today, as I have to go off to work early.
Hope everyone has a good week.

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WillieWaggledagger · 08/11/2012 09:15

hurrah for biwi!

gosh wine how infuriating, i would have been speechless - it does sound like active sabotage. dp's mum is sort of aware of how i'm eating (I have discussed it a little, but she tends to talk over you so have never managed to completely explain!) and she can't quite get my strictness about it, why i won't just have a biscuit or a couple of bits of potato etc, and she definitely doesn't get the high fat aspect! i told her that i wasn't eating sugar at all and she still macerated the strawberries in icing sugar ("it's only a couple of spoonfuls!")

it's my birthday today and i am having a cup of decaf coffee with semi-skimmed milk as a treat (is this what it has come to??!!)

Jacaqueen · 08/11/2012 09:35

The disparity in the macadamia nutritional info drives me mad.

Logically I know that they must all have the same carb values but I refuse to buy them if the packaging states more than 6g carbs per 100g. So I stock up when I go to sainsbury, as they have 4.7g. Unfortunately they have stopped doing the little 50g bags so I have to get 100g and show some restraint.

I hate when people try to sabotage like that. I mean it is bad enough that we sometimes do it to ourselves, but that is our choice. I really haven't told many people that I am doing low carb. I just try and eat around what I am given, so I will leave the potatoes, Yorkshires etc refuse pudding, and not comment. If anyone asks I just say that I am not very hungry. Or I play the 'upset stomach' card. When eating out I am getting better at asking for my food to be adapted. Obviously this is easier to do when you are actually paying for it, as opposed to eating at someone's house.

I find that if people know you are on a diet of any kind they watch what you eat and feel they can pass comment, which I find incredibly rude. I don't mind talking about low carb if people are genuinely interested but I hate being scrutinized.

SingingTunelessly · 08/11/2012 09:40

Happy Birthday Willie. Thanks. Have a great day.

Doshusallie · 08/11/2012 09:41

Happy Birthday Willie!!!

Scales showed 9 3 this morning so having a strict day. Breakfast was 2 boiled eggs.

Cathy and Poppy - I am 5 3, and would look like a stick at 8 stone 3. I am sure you both look lovely, but I cannot imagine ever being that weight. I would never get to it, even with low carb.

WillieWaggledagger · 08/11/2012 09:44

jac i agree about people passing comment. my response these days (if appropriate / i'm feeling confident enough) is "it's very difficult to enjoy my food when my eating habits are being commented on" - said very nicely of course

Jacaqueen · 08/11/2012 09:58

Do you know another thing I hate?

No, well I will tell you.

You have the perfect low carb day. Lets say full fried breakfast , pork belly for lunch with buttered cabbage and some macadamias. Negligible carbs but lots of calories. You are going out for dinner, but you have checked ahead and worked out what you will have. You then get there to discover that there is nothing you can eat. So you are faced with either eating nothing or totally blowing your whole day. You can feel all the fat you have consumed in the day attaching itself to you as you consume those carbs.

Now had you known in advance that the menu would be tricky you could have moderated your calories to compensate for your evening meal being higher carb. So boiled eggs for breakfast and soup for lunch perhaps.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying we should count calories. However I think it can be helpful now and again when we are not 100 per cent in control of what food is available.

Jacaqueen · 08/11/2012 09:58

Oh and happy birthday Willie.

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney · 08/11/2012 10:28

Happy Birthday Willie!! Thanks enjoy your Brew !

wineg def sounds like jealous sabotage!! If she is a very good cook, there is no way she will have "misunderstood" your email if she is that interested in food. Grrrr. [Angry] Hope you don't feel too sick today. At least it's only every other month? Is someone else hosting next time?

Well done biwi and jac on your losses.

I hit Lidl last night. Can't tell you how much I like that place! Bags and bags of yummy LC stuff at very good prices. I looked at the pork belly slices but I am honestly not a big fan of pork anyway, only rarely have bacon when in the mood and would never cook gammon etc, DH doesn't really like it either. They did look very very fatty and didn't appeal. Do they taste better than they look?

Anyway I got some nice chicken and fish, salad, veggies, and a kilo Shock tub of Greek yoghurt. And some lovely Scottish roast beef slices. I had 2 when I got home at 10pm as a late snack, Delish. Funny, that kind of late night raiding still induces the guilty feeling from years of ingrained beliefs about food/diets, but I just told myself, hey it's ok!! This is allowed! This is good protein!! I need a recording of biwi saying that to play in my kitchen Grin

Sorry for mammoth post, have a good day everyone!!

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney · 08/11/2012 11:03

Sorry jaX losses and Angry for winegless!

JessicaWakefield · 08/11/2012 12:57

Wine really sorry to hear about your job situation and about what can only be described as the sabotage! I think that you should just take it as an odd back handed compliment ie Wine is looking so great these days so I'll just knock her off the wagon a bit...!

BIWI well done on your weigh in, so motivating to get down to your lowest so far!

Jaca am so with you on the undoing the good work dilemma and my thought process in that situation is exactly the same as yours.

Willie Happy Birthday! Decaff coffee and semi-skimmed - you go girl!

Am one pound down this morning. Was up for almost all of last night with DS (7 mo) who's gone from almost sleeping through to up every twenty minutes and only a cuddle from Mummy will do. Both DCs are napping now and I think I might join them. Have a good day everyone.

Doshusallie · 08/11/2012 13:52

Lunch: salad leaves, cucumber, tuna and mayo, 2 boiled eggs, roasted courgettes, 2 slices of ham, half a chunk of cheese.

captainmummy · 08/11/2012 14:22

Happy Birthday WIllie!

Cath and Poppy - I am 5'4 and went down to about 8st 8 when DH and I broke up, about 4 years ago. I looked skeletal, gaunt, unhealthy. I'm now 9st3 (down from 9st10) and feel a lot better - as Doshu says, I'm sure you look lovely, but healthy is the key, not skinniness. I only need to lose about 2-3 lb, and this WOE is the best, tastiest way of doing it! (even tho I can't eat apples!)

BIWI · 08/11/2012 14:33

Happy birthday Willie, O Lovely Spreadsheet Meister! Thanks

Jacaqueen - you make a very good point. Exactly the same happened to me at the start of my disastrous (from the LC point of view) weekend. Twitter meet up was at a particular restaurant. Checked online, but they didn't have a menu there. Turned up and everything came in a wrap/taco/burrito/enchilada/quesadilla ... But I knew I had to eat. Sometimes, though, I think you just have to accept it, not stress about it, and let it happen.

Re the 3DE, having done it many times over the last few years - always to undo some spectacular bad behaviour Blush, this is how I think it works:

If you have really overdone it on the carbs, you will have refuelled your glycogen stores. I think (from memory) that this will add around 3-5lbs to your weight. This is why when you get on the scales after a bad day you appear to have gained a huge amount. By doing the 3DE, which is low carb and low fat (and presumably also low calorie as a result), you are forcing your body back into ketosis and into using up those glycogen stores, hence you can quickly get shot of that extra weight gain.

Based on my own experience, I suspect that it doesn't actually mean that you lose any extra weight - it just gets you back on the low carb track pretty quickly. If you're ketogenically adapted, then it should do this pretty efficiently.

I have also read stuff (will see if I can find any of it) that says that if you are ketogenically adapted, and you are consistently low carbing - i.e. not dipping in and out - then you can deal with carb 'blow-outs' pretty efficiently. As long, of course, as that blow-out doesn't lead to several more days with your head in the biscuit tin or fruit bowl!

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BIWI · 08/11/2012 14:51

Here is a really interesting piece by Dr Michael Eades on being tempted by carbs

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BIWI · 08/11/2012 15:11

I haven't managed to find what I've been looking for, but here are a couple of really good blogs, also by Michael Eades, about low carbing, electrolytes and water - definitely worth a read.

part one

www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/tips-tricks-for-starting-or-restarting-low-carb-pt-ii/ part two ]]

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BIWI · 08/11/2012 15:11

Sorry

part two

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WillieWaggledagger · 08/11/2012 15:21

have just read that first article, v interesting

now come here for a cuddle all my lovely insula-boosters

BIWI · 08/11/2012 15:54
Grin

From those pieces, it would appear that you can only store around 500g glycogen in your liver/muscles - but each gram has to be stored in around 4 times as much water - hence the large weight gain when you have a carb blow-out.

This makes much sense to me. I noticed when I was at the gym on Monday, the first day back on the wagon, that I had re-gained the flabby tyre around my waist. I was heartily depressed. However, it was obviously water retention - which makes absolute sense, seeing as this morning I was down in weight again. The last few days have been all about using up the glycogen and getting rid of the extra fluid.

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JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 08/11/2012 16:02

ah the glycogen stores -and it goes straight back to where we least want it.

iirc that is the lovely 'spare tyre' area that we get when we go awol on the low carb WOE. Blush

captainmummy · 08/11/2012 16:13

Interesting articles - esp the 2nd one. I wonder how diets like the food-combining one worked - you know, 1 day carbs, 1 day protein?

BIWI · 08/11/2012 16:16

I've never understood the thinking behind food combining, captainmummy

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toomuchmonthatendofthemoney · 08/11/2012 19:36

B small bowl yoghurt before school run, 2 fried eggs and mushrooms after
L chicken/bacon mayo
Snack slice of roast beef, couple of teaspoons of egg mayo
D 2 venison burgers with sauce made of shallot, leek, mushrooms, mustard and creme fraiche, with watercress salad

Off to read biwi latest articles now. Read the one about aspartame earlier, very glad Coke is banned in this house!!!

Doshusallie · 08/11/2012 19:57

Tea was same as last night, salmon, broccolli and leeks.

Feel a bit sick, salmon wasn't cooked properly - will that make me poorly or is that just like sushi?

captainmummy · 08/11/2012 21:11

Haven't reaally eaten properlytoday, 3 boiled eggs, 1 slice bacon, few nuts. Few slices ham.

Dinner was salmon and french lettuce. Half sq dark choc.

Loads of water.

Doshu - not sure if it would act like salmon sushi - unless it was very very fresh? I did my salmon really well done, don't think i would like it not properly cooked either, but dunno if it would make you ill.

Doshusallie · 08/11/2012 21:20

Time will tell captain sir!!! Grin

Taking my book to bed, DH watching the inbetweeners movie, I can't bear it.....