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Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

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BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
OP posts:
BIWItheBold · 11/07/2012 17:34

QS - according to the carb counter on Carblife they are 4.6g per 100g

OP posts:
QueenStromba · 11/07/2012 17:59

From Tesco.com:

Wonderful Roasted And Salted Pistachios - 27.7 g
Aasani Roasted And Salted Jumbo Pistachios - 19.3g
Tesco Organic Roasted Pistachios - 17.4g
Tesco Roasted And Salted Pistachio Nuts - 13.6g
Centennial Pistachio Nuts - 12.3g

Waitrose and a company called Dormen claim about 8g

Asda have four different own brand pistachios which claim 8.2g, 11.4g, 13.7g and 21g.

The only way I can think of that Carblife could have got a figure of 4.6g is if they took the very lowest figure that anyone has come up with and figured that since almost half of the weight is shell the carb count per 100g can be almost halved which is rather misleading.

Creamtea1 · 11/07/2012 18:21

Hi all, some advice please if I may - plateau here...

  1. seem to be retaining water - have drank approx 2 litres today and had 2 wee's - that isn't right is it?
  2. every single meal I eat doesn't seem to get digested- I eat pretty late, around 8pm and every morning for the last week my weights crept up - except the morning after I had no dinner.. I have over 2 weeks till period due so can't be related to anything like that can it?
QueenStromba · 11/07/2012 18:34

You probably aren't drinking enough water if you're retaining it which will slow your fat burning because ketone levels in your blood are getting too high.

QueenStromba · 11/07/2012 18:38

Forgot to say - low potassium also leads to water retention. You need to be putting lo-salt on your food and thinking about an electrolyte powder such as this one.

Jellybellyrbest · 11/07/2012 19:02

Eeek! So: if my veg portions are too big (pile of rocket, 2 sticks chopped celery & 2 big dollops coleslaw at lunch-no tea yet bit have cooked mushrooms in butter & was planning broccoli & cauliflower with my chicken/cheese/bacon)....does that mean I won't lose? When should you generally see weightless kick in? Thx for peanut butter answer. I love tsps of it too, but will wait a couple of weeks.

Jellybellyrbest · 11/07/2012 19:08

Had slices of ham & a boiled egg with lunch too...

Ruggles · 11/07/2012 19:20

Hello all Smile - I'd like to say hello and join you. I weigh 10st 7lb and have been a yoyo dieter for the last year. I used to be very slim and struggle to keep weight on (so developed lots of very bad habits) then stopped smoking and had two children and piled on the lbs. My target is 9 and I've got close twice in the last year only to blow it and let it all creep back on when I go through a stressy patch. Unfortunately stressy patches seem to happen all too often! It makes me so angry with myself... I've been asked when my next baby is due twice in the last couple of months which is spurring me on.

I'm starting my low carb eating regime tomorrow following Dr Briffa's book and I'm also going on a Joanna Hall Walking Weekend to learn how to shape up while walking - well that's the plan... I walk every day with our dogs and if I can do it properly and lose some weight too, I'll be very pleased.

I'm really looking forward to getting to know you all. Grin

aroomofherown · 11/07/2012 19:26

OK advice people please. I just weighed myself and haven't lost any weight in the first 5 days (although I do feel fantastic).

I am on pretty strong painkillers though - will that make me retain water? My wees have slowed down since I started on them even though I'm still drinking at least 2L of water per day.

There are a few little tweaks I need to make to my diet eg less carby veges but I thought I'd lose at least a bit.

FiddleDeFat · 11/07/2012 20:05

Ruggles, there's a proper way to walk?

Ruggles · 11/07/2012 20:22

Yes, apparently so... I first read about it in The Telegraph and was skeptical but kept re-reading the article - Telegraph Article . On her Joanna Halls site there is another great review from The Guardian. I will keep you posted.

0TTers · 11/07/2012 20:22

Hello, another one jumping onto the bandwagon!

Started the Dukan diet last week and have done well and lost lbs, but eating high protein low fat worries me because I struggle to reach 1200 cal. I think my body will go into starvation mode and so have been reading all about the high fat low carb WOE and I'm convinced :)

Did wobble today frying broccoli in so much oil but I need the calories - right?

I am looking forward to all your ideas (have been looking at recipe thread already) and hopefully a new, more energetic, thinner me!

teaandthorazine · 11/07/2012 20:59

Oh dear. There is a LOT of chocolate in my house now. My mum, dad and dp all bought me chocolate for my birthday! Thing is, they know I'm low-carbing so - bless them - they all bought me DARK choc. Trouble is, these days I find that even harder to resist than the milk stuff...

Soooo... hard day head down in the library, home now and the Hotel Chocolat Serious Dark Fix Box is calling me... Grin

Welcome to all newbies btw. Don't take any notice of me, I'm being a Bad Low Carber tonight! See BIWI, told you we'd get lots of new recruits Wink

Thegoddessblossom · 11/07/2012 21:05

Otters- fry it all in butter, even better. :)

MrsHerculePoirot · 11/07/2012 21:29

Hi all! Someone said about BT being able to have breakfast because of time - I suggest cooking a bit extra the night before and having that or some hard boiled eggs (cooked night before) on the run. Or even celery and pâté or just a slice of cheese! I've counted all of those as breakfast over the last few weeks as otherwise I skip breakfast.

This morning I was only half a lb over 16 stone - fingers crossed I'll be in the fifteens tomorrow! Am away for the weekend though at family so not sure how easy it will be... As I just often don't feel too hungry I hope I can just pick at what I can!

Thegoddessblossom · 11/07/2012 21:38

Tea - give it away - they will never know...

D: a delectable 3 egg omelette fried with a green pepper, served with magic mushrooms. Dh was green with envy as he ate his very boring salad. Grin

Have had a large glass of red though as per. And macadamia nuts. And a coffee with cream. Finally feel normal again after caffiene intake this morning. Not a good idea 20 minutes before presenting for an hour to board level contacts at a client site. Going to weigh tomorrow.

Am really feeling the effects of so much water. If I kneel down too much (to fold laundry for example) my calfs are crampy. Got cramp in my toe last night. Have been getting cramps in my stomach mucles. Have added salt into food and am now drinking a nuun a day (DH is a cyclist so am stealing them from his stash).

SharonGless · 11/07/2012 22:20

Evening I'm just checking in before bedtime
B to boiled Eggs
L Greek yoghurt and blueberries
S pistachio nuts
D just been out for tea and had roasted garlic mushrooms in creamy sauce with rocket and rump steak Grand Padano shavings and rocker with green beans and shallots

Today was a slightly better day

BIWItheBold · 11/07/2012 23:10

Queen - I suppose that also shows just how careful we have to be with nuts!

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SharonGless · 11/07/2012 23:39

Just finished making a batch of cupcakes for cake sale at work and I didn't lick the bowlGrin

BIWI did you see the Newsnight programme on Monday?

Limonata · 11/07/2012 23:53

Can I join too please? Have been lurking for a while and slowly cutting processed carbs out of my diet with relative success. Would like to lose a stone in total but have a problem ditching the alcohol. Have switched from wine to vodka though! So inspired by the bootcampers here... need to bite the bullet and bootcamp properly!

smokinaces · 12/07/2012 06:53

Reminder that the last part of the men who made us fat is on tonight after the Wimbledon delay.

SpringGoddess · 12/07/2012 07:26

Stayed the same again. Tried on a pair of skin tight metallic jeans yesterday and despite the sales assistant suggesting that I try a 12 as they come up small, I squeezed into a 10 and they looked amazing - apart from the eye watering £120 price tag - I'd have paid £20 for them. Still can't quite believe I fit into a size 10, naked I don't look much different to when I was a size 14. Confused

Birthday today and I'm hoping to avoid all things cakey. So rather than go out, i got us some waitrose ready meals - living it up or what! Have bought some peri peri chicken for dh and I and the kids are having their favourite pasta blog arise with garlic bread.

SharonGless · 12/07/2012 07:37

Spring goddess!! Well done and happy birthday. Hope you have a wonderful slim day. Although you say you don't look any different naked do you feel better?

WillieWaggledagger · 12/07/2012 07:42

happy birthday SG!

lovely moussaka with ricotta topping for supper last night and leftovers tonight

SpringGoddess · 12/07/2012 07:47

I do feel better, I look better in my clothes too and shopping is so much easier. But I have a hard time seeing myself as small or a size 10 and I feel very self conscious picking up a size 10 and even more so asking for a size 8 or 10 in a shop, almost feel like the sales assistant is thinking, whos she kidding, that will never fit. Best way to explain it is that mentally I'm still a size 14.

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