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Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

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BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
OP posts:
SpringGoddess · 12/07/2012 07:51

By the way kids are not having a pasta blog for tea - they are having spaghetti bolognaise - have not go used to my iPad changing words serreptitiously.

WillieWaggledagger · 12/07/2012 07:52

i think it's difficult to see the whole picture when you look at yourself in the mirror, especially naked

you look at individual areas, thinking 'that bit could do with toning up' etc and being v critical, so it's harder to see yourself as slimmer as a whole

i have only recently been able to bring myself to look at myself naked in the mirror (a whole other set of issues) so i have nothign to compare myself with!

BIWItheBold · 12/07/2012 08:21

I actually don't possess a full length mirror - so I never actually see all of me naked.

I know what you mean about not seeing the difference though - everything presumably slims down in proportion, so the fatter bits remain fatter, relatively speaking. It's really only clothes that show the loss properly.

Happy birthday, SG - hope you have a lovely and cake-free day Smile

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Peggotty · 12/07/2012 08:28

Hi sorry to gatecrash but I'm just after a bit of advice from experienced low-carbers!! I'm not hard enough for the bootcamp you're all following Blush but am trying to follow the guidance in the Dr Briffa book. At the moment I'm feeling pretty crap - is this carb withdrawal? Achey, headachey and quite irritable in the evening before I have my main meal (I have to eat relatively late, around 7 as dh gets on then). I feel hugely less bloated but physically almost like I'm slightly ill!! I'm convinced this woe is best for me as I'm an apple shape and probably over-produce insulin so really want to stick with it! Any advice? Thanks so much ! Smile

FiddleDeFat · 12/07/2012 08:47

Yes, it's carb withdrawal - otherwise known as carb flu. Advice is to stick with it as it will pass in a few days, and you will then feel so much better. Although, if you are eating late in the evening, maybe have a snack to tide you over til then?

Peggotty · 12/07/2012 09:17

Thanks fiddle. I do have a snack, usually nuts or cheese but I think I just really need a main meal around 6 pm. Dh will just have to eat on his own!

BIWItheBold · 12/07/2012 09:20

... and drink plenty of water!

You may as well join us on this thread Peggotty - I don't think many people are actually really doing Bootcamp. Most people here are cheating all the time are doing Bootcamp Light really. Grin

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Peggotty · 12/07/2012 09:36

Thanks BIWI, am drinking bloody gallons of water, gallons i tell you!! (ok, maybe 2-2.5 litres really).

Peggotty · 12/07/2012 09:40

Sorry meant to add - how does the thread 'work' - do we post what we've eaten etc? Would love some tips and support - I don't know anyone in rl doing this and anyone I've mentioned it to have been quite negative 'Atkins died doing low carb' etc etc Hmm

0TTers · 12/07/2012 09:41

YY to gallons of water! Feel like I have my own personal sea sloshing around inside :)

Well breakfast was an omelette (in butter natch) and butter fried mushrooms with mayonnaise

I've read, understood and agreed with this high fat premise but dear God I am changing habits of a lifetime here an it feels so wrong Confused

Does anyone else struggle to be so extravagant with fat after thinking that healthy=low fat?

Thegoddessblossom · 12/07/2012 09:47

Yes Otters - even now. Annoying that frequently you can only buy 0% fat greek yog in the smaller supermarkets.

B: bit of greek yoghurt, celery and ham - not all mixed together obv.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY FELLOW GODDESS!!! Grin

BIWItheBold · 12/07/2012 09:47

Post whatever you like! Some of us post what we've eaten, some of us just chat and moan.

Read Dr John Briffa's book Escape the Diet Trap - that will give you ammunition against those who argue against low carbing.

And yy, the fat thing is initially really difficult!

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Peggotty · 12/07/2012 09:55

Fab!! Am reading the book at the moment. I feel this may the way of eating that will finally work for me!

Massive vats of Greek yoghurt for a mere £1.53 are sold in Lidl btw. I couldn't believe it when I saw them - dh said it looked like I was carrying a pot of paint Grin. I had Greek yog blueberries, raspberries and tiny drizzle of honey - I find it a really satisfying brekkie and I enjoy it too (bonus!). Am going out today with ds to friends house and am taking 2 boiled eggs, celery and some yummy ham.

Not sure about dinner today - prob bolognaise with veg side.

teaandthorazine · 12/07/2012 09:57

Morning all! I only had two of my birthday chocolates last night - they're actually so rich that I couldn't manage more. So with smoked salmon, scrambled eggs, Philly and asparagus I didn't do too badly in the end Smile

Feel shattered today. Will be so glad when I can hand this assignment in. Am on my way to uni library now for another solid day of head-on-books. However, best mate has just texted to say she thinks her labour has finally started so, as I've said I'm unofficially her midwife, am in a quandary! I've got to get some more work done but also I want to be there! Hopefully it's a false alarm and things will settle down until later...

Peggotty · 12/07/2012 09:58

Otters, it does feel weird eating all the fat but the science says it works!

Right that's the last post from me for the time being, I have verbal diahorrea Smile

mummyduff · 12/07/2012 10:13

morning all & hi to the newbies. Its sunny here wohoo! Grin

Spring goddess Well done and happy birthdaySmile

Breakfast was boiled egg and I'm 1 litre of water down already.

Peggotty & Otters, you will get used to the fat and it really does work and this WOE is also very maintainableSmile

SingingTunelessly · 12/07/2012 10:17

Welcome Peggotty Smile. I remember carb flu was blinking awful ended up taking paracetamol and drinking loads of water then after about two days it went and the energy burst came in. Not looked back since. Love this woe.

Otters, it does feel really weird at first eating delicious food and adding the fat, just feels wrong after so many years being conditioned to think we will DIE if we eat butter, etc.

Happy Birthday SpringGodess and how wonderful re the jeans that must have felt so good.

Am off to the hairdressers this morning. Need to think of a snack that isn't my old snack of a twix while waiting for the highlights to take. Don't think a boiled egg will be too well received in the salon. Grin

QueenStromba · 12/07/2012 11:34

Brazil nuts make a great snack and are actually low carb - I just checked a few of the supermarkets and they all say 2.9g or 3.1g per hundred. Tesco do 40g packs on 3 for £2 which is the perfect size really.

0TTers · 12/07/2012 11:57

teaandthorazine Wow sounds really fun/stressful in your life - delivering essays and babies (badoom-pish, shit jokes a speciality!)

Starving today so had chicken and coleslaw as a snack and creamy dreamy spinach soup with beef cold cuts dipped in (?!)

Grin at idea of egg fumes mixing with peroxide, might even be flammable Shock. Better go with brazil nuts like QueenStromba recommends.

0TTers · 12/07/2012 11:58

Shouls say soup for lunch, wasn't that hungry at 10.30!

0TTers · 12/07/2012 11:59

Humph! Give up

Jins · 12/07/2012 12:05

I had Greek yog blueberries, raspberries and tiny drizzle of honey

ShockShockShockShock

That's far too many carbs for me. I'd be starving and snacking all day if I started my day like that.

ZZZenAgain · 12/07/2012 12:18

some positive news, 2nd week here: lost some weight, fit into a skirt which was too tight before I started so that is encouraging. Also find my skin looks a lot better, really notice the difference. It might also be in part due to all the water, I don't know.

Anyone else pick up on the skin thing?

ZZZenAgain · 12/07/2012 12:20

I have not been good though, I couldn't give up my coffee ersatz made with spelt (60g carb!). I still have one or two cups of that in the morning but I will try and phase it out

Jins · 12/07/2012 12:25

That can't be right ZZZen. Is that 60g per 100g?

You couldn't get 60g in a cup Shock