Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Weight loss chat

A space to talk openly about weight loss journeys and challenges. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

544 replies

BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
OP posts:
Finbar · 11/07/2012 13:30

Looks good to me- but I am only on week2 and still learning!

Question: coleslaw yay or nay?

mummyduff · 11/07/2012 13:31

Alpine try and stay positive and make sure you are drinking loads of water, but don't worry too much weight fluctuates.
Cliff you need to step away from the choc and shortcake, even in small amounts it will prevent you from loosing and going into ketosisSmile

Jins · 11/07/2012 13:37

Cliff it's getting a bit carby isn't it ?:)

I'm not a great fan of the protein shakes personally but I can't explain why other than the fact that they are processed and you have to make them up with dairy of some form.

Lunch and dinner sounds ok but it really depends how big your veg portions are. You say you are eating more and larger portions and are feeling hungrier. That makes me think you're creeping over the level you need to be at for weight loss.

I'm not saying anything about the carrot and chocolate and shortbread.

I diagnose carb creep and prescribe strict bootcamp Grin

BIWItheBold · 11/07/2012 14:06

... seconded!

Cliff - cut out the protein shakes. They are highly processed and others have reported that they impede their weight loss.

If you are hungry - then eat. But being hungry is a sign that you're eating too many carbs.

OP posts:
BIWItheBold · 11/07/2012 14:11

Sorry - meant to finish that off by saying that if your carb levels are low enough, and your protein and fat levels are high enough, then you really won't be hungry between meals. And sometimes you will find that even at supposed meal times, you will forget to eat as you just won't be hungry.

OP posts:
MNP · 11/07/2012 14:13

B: meds & .5L
.25L on a walk
S: whipped natural yog and crushed raspberries & .5L
L: chicken leg and cucumber & .5L

Planned for later is
D: salmon and red pepper, shallot & broccoli

becstarsky · 11/07/2012 14:21

Hi all! Am not weighing myself as I didn't get off to a good start so am going to wait until I've been doing this WOE for at least another week. Past two days have been good though, and I feel much healthier than I did only last week. Lots of energy and skin seems to be getting a little clearer.

By the way I'm loving 'The Men Who Made Us Fat' - thanks to whoever recommended that to me last week. Also I discovered on YouTube 'The Skinny On Obesity' series from the University of California with Prof Lustig of 'Sugar: The Bitter Truth' fame . Highly recommend them (and if you haven't seen Lustig's Sugar talk, you just have to, it's mind-blowing ).

Glad radishes are okay - just had some with my salad and omelette. Mmm...

PMMummy · 11/07/2012 14:37

Just checking in. Have absolutely no hunger today as far too tired to even think (18 month old teething ALL night). Also TOM so frankly chuffed I havent nosedived into the chocolate by now Grin.
No doubt hunger will return once I get more than 4 hours snooze .....
X

Finbar · 11/07/2012 14:42

Am not hungry either- amazing. Am always wanting a snack by this time in the afternoon usually

HavingAnOffDAy · 11/07/2012 14:55

I've been rubbish todaySad scoffed a freddo whilst sat in traffic waiting to get to work and have my breakfast.

Then had mushroom stroganoff for lunch and was half way through it when I realised how high carb onions are Sad

Feeling gutted and need to get back on it as I'm hungry, which I wasn't when I was being strict

CliffBarnsby · 11/07/2012 14:57

I found a protein shake with No dairy and with v low carbs. I am only drinking them because otherwise I will NOT eat breakfast. I can't eat that early but because of school and job the next time I get to eat is about 1 pm. I don't have time to prep anything as it is solely my job to get kids ready and where they need to be every morning.

Yes. No more choc and strawberries. Sad

You are probation right- I need smaller portions. Will work on that today.

CliffBarnsby · 11/07/2012 14:58

Probably not probation. Hmm

Also, me and h aren't exactly wonderful and he will not be completely supportive. He will say he will be but he will do stuff like buying shortcake and cooking rice and beans and tacos for dinner every night. I am on m own doing this! Just trying to find the right balance still.

QueenStromba · 11/07/2012 15:11

I've been anti hungry today, only just had a breakfast of a chocolate MiM with philadephia. My tummy is making strange noises now and I can't tell if I'm starving or feel sick.

Sucksoutthejoy · 11/07/2012 15:19

I have been following a low carb high protein diet for 4 weeks now, today I ate:
B - Two eggs scrambled in butter
Snack - 100g sliced turkey
L - homemade beef and veg stew
Snack - low fat cottage cheese 100g
Dinner- fillet steak, pepper, onion and courgette

I don't have much weight to lose, maybe 2 kilos left having lost 2 but I really enjoy eating this way as I don't feel well when eating lots of carbs. So my question is this - today I ate under 900 cals, in 4 weeks I haven't got over 1000 per day and often much lower. I never feel hungry if I have protein snacks so can't see point in eating more just for extra calories but surely long term having under 1000 cals per day can't be healthy or if I'm not hungry am I eating enough?

Thegoddessblossom · 11/07/2012 15:19

B 1: greek yog with some strawbs at 5.30am Shock

B 2: a double egg and bacon mcmuffin without the muffin at 10am. McDonalds don't do decaf coffee so had 2 caffienated ones and OMG did I feel the difference - haven't had any caffiene for months and felt light headed and a bit sick!!!

Lunch: 2 sticks of celery, 2 slices of ham, 2 baby bels - am still hungry but nothing in except cheese and yoghurt and I don't want to eat any more dairy today.

Shimbo · 11/07/2012 15:21

That's interesting about not feeling hungry if we are following the WOE properly BIWI. I have been having that lately too, different to when I first started Bootcamp and I was ravenous for several days. Hopefully means I am doing something right.

I also find that I am not forcing the water down either and I genuinely feel thirsty very often despite drinking loads now compared to prior to starting Bootcamp.

Am in the office today and have one meaningless question. Why the hell does toast smell so bloody nice? I don't fancy eating any at all but I do love the smell!

QueenStromba · 11/07/2012 15:33

Sucksoutthejoy - you aren't hungry because following a low carb diet is allowing your fat cells to give up some of their stores and once fat it in the blood stream it doesn't matter whether it has come from your food or from your fat stores. You should start needing more food once your fat stores are depleted enough that your body doesn't want to let go of any more.

Sucksoutthejoy · 11/07/2012 15:42

QueenStromba- that is interesting and makes sense thank you. I don't want to lose any more than 2k so imagine I will have to start eating a bit more to maintain my weight once those fat stores are depleted? So I should start feeling hungry and I know then to eat more?

Sucksoutthejoy · 11/07/2012 15:44

Shimbo - toast smells so nice because it is so nice, with butter and strawberry jam, yum Envy

QueenStromba · 11/07/2012 15:59

Your body might be happier with a lower body fat percentage than you so to stop losing any more weight you'll have to either eat more despite not being hungry or gradually up your carbs slowly until you find the sweet spot where you aren't losing or gaining. Since you've only got 2kg to lose you probably want to start this soon - I'd say start by incorporating some berries into your diet.

CliffBarnsby · 11/07/2012 16:44

Would tea or coffee be better? I can do tea without milk..

Jellybellyrbest · 11/07/2012 16:49

Quick question: are we allowed peanut butter in bootcamp?

Jellybellyrbest · 11/07/2012 16:49

Quick question: are we allowed peanut butter in bootcamp?

Thegoddessblossom · 11/07/2012 16:55

Hi Jelly - I think peanut butter is ok in bootcamp light but not bootcamp - in bootcamp lite go for sugar free PB. Peanuts are quite high in carbs compared to pistachios or almonds or macadamias.

I sometimes have a teasponn of PB as a snack, it's very filling - nice on celery too.

QueenStromba · 11/07/2012 17:25

Pistachios are actually really carby - about 20g per 100g. For some reason I'd been under the impression that they were more like 7g.