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Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

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BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
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BIWItheBold · 10/07/2012 22:31

From the Berocca website:

Is Berocca suitable for diabetics?

Effervescent Berocca tablets contain sweeteners and sugar, although the sugar present is a very small amount (sucrose - 0.13% of the tablet). The effervescent tablets contain 276.45mg mannitol, 20mg acesulfame, 25mg aspartame and 6mg sucrose. Film-coated Berocca tablets contain 25.45mg mannitol, 13.44mg polydextrose and 94.3mg lactose.

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FiddleDeFat · 10/07/2012 22:32

I've been a bit quiet on here this week as I've totally fallen from grace, it started with birthday cake last Monday and I haven't stopped since. I feel awful! Twelve weeks of bootcamp and 2 stones lost, and I've probably put on at least half a stone now - but I'm not going near the scales until next Monday, when hopefully I'll feel slightly less awful. But I've got to go through carb withdrawal all over again.

Anyway, on a brighter note, welcome to all the newbies who have joined us. I should have been here before with my recruitment badge on to see if anyone would like to add their magnificent weightloss to the spreadsheet.

Feel free to add your name to the spreadsheet (alphabetically please, or I'll get grumpy!). Just put in your starting weight under the appropriate date (and also in column B - as this just ensures the same formulas can be used for everybody). Then just drag the formulas down in the blue columns from the row above you.

I know it looks a bit complex if you're not used to spreadsheets, so just post dates/weights here if you'd rather, and I'll soon sort it out.

Oh, and you don't have to post actual weights if you'd rather not. We can start you at an index of 100 and count the pounds down from there instead.

Happy birthday Tea (no cake, no cake!) and welcome back MrsNP, glad your DS is feeling better now. I've put your details in the archive section of the spreadsheet but can easily put them back on if you would like?

vezzie · 10/07/2012 22:33

Hi BIWI!
I'm reading your list of vegetables: no radishes. Are radishes high carb? I suppose they are roots; but they just seem so... little and mustardy and crisp... (no logic here obviously)

CliffBarnsby · 10/07/2012 22:49

Who knows how I'd do it. I tried explaining re insulin spikes [which I understand anyway for other reasons] but he just went Hmm at me.

Anyway, I think I am doing OK. Enjoying the food, even if I do keep getting headaches in the middle of the day - hoping that'll be done with by the end of the week!

CliffBarnsby · 10/07/2012 23:01

He was even so nice to write me a sweet little note and buy me a strawberry shortcake today. Angry

SpringGoddess · 11/07/2012 06:27

Stayed the same today for the third day running which is good, I'm just slightly below target and I'm trying to get 2 kg below target before holidays in 3 weeks.

Have stopped snacking and am eating smaller meals - the snacking thing had become a bad habit, I wasn't hungry just eating for the sake of it.

SpringGoddess · 11/07/2012 06:38

Cliffsbarnsby try the diet revolution video on the diet doctor.com - if you can get your dh to sit down for 50min and watch it, he might just be convinced that low fat approach to eating is flawed. I think it's available on utube as well.

Jellybellyrbest · 11/07/2012 07:13

Hi All! Is rocket allowed? I'm only day 2 of bootcamp & going to try v hard to be v strict till my Bridesmaid dress fitting in 2 weeks....going to have bacon & egg for breakfast. Seems like a dream WOE ATM!! Would dearly love my usual milky coffee for breakfast too though!

MrsNouveauRichards · 11/07/2012 07:16

Thanks for the welcome back.

I don't know if I am going to go back to weighing myself as I got a bit obsessed before! I just know that I felt better without all the sugar and carbs.

Breakfast - cup of tea, glass of water and eggs of some sort.
Lunch - ham salad maybe
Dinner - at friends, so will eat as little carbs as possible and hope it is not pasta bake :o

Hope everyone has a good day :)

Jellybellyrbest · 11/07/2012 07:27

Oooh & can we have hoummus in bootcamp? Many thanks!

BIWItheBold · 11/07/2012 08:43

No to hummous - it is made from chickpeas, which are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too carby for Bootcamp.

But yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to rocket - and any other salad leaf!

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Jellybellyrbest · 11/07/2012 09:15

Great BIWI, thank you!

vezzie · 11/07/2012 09:20

hello! what about radishes?

Shimbo · 11/07/2012 09:23

Radishes seem to be good!

½ cup sliced radishes (about 2 oz.): 1 gram effective (net) carbohydrate. Although I can't find the g carb/100g.....

vezzie · 11/07/2012 09:43

Thanks Shimbo. I think I'd find it pretty hard to eat half a cup of radishes so I guess that is also part of why I assumed they'd be ok - seems a good flavour:bulk ratio.
btw way, hello everyone. I'm not sure if I'm a committed low carber or more of a Harcomber but learning a lot from this thread.

Jins · 11/07/2012 09:45

1.9g per 100g according to the DM Shock That fits in with the above as 100g is about 4oz

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-76507/The-good-root-guide.html

sparkybabe · 11/07/2012 10:21

Was interested to read about the eczema/skin problems upthread - my skin started rosacea-type flushing soon after i was changed onto a progesterone-only pill. I stopped taking that after about 9 months, this was about 3.5 years ago, and have been taking a strong antibiotic pill to counteract the flushing ever since.

Anyway, about 2.5 weeks ago, (been low-carbing for 4 weeks now) i forgot to pack my AB pills for a weekend away, and had no flushing at all. I have not taken them since then (hated them anyway) and still no flushing.

Don;t know whether to attribute it to the WOE or maybe my body has finally got rid of the progesterone artificially introduced all those years ago - either way. I'm ecstatic! (and staying on this WOE definitely!)

BIWItheBold · 11/07/2012 10:41

vezzie - sorry! Yes, Carblife carb counter has them at 1.9g carbs per 100g, so I'd say 'fill yer boots' Grin

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catinboots · 11/07/2012 11:27

Marking place..

QueenStromba · 11/07/2012 11:54

I need to point out a major blooper in the DM article - sweet potatoes are not 5g per hundred, they are more like 20g. My advice is don't trust carb counts from one source, especially if they seem to good to be true - I usually double check carb counts against a couple of the supermarkets websites. This is how I found that babycorn can have a carb count of up to 20g per hundred :(

mummyduff · 11/07/2012 12:06

Hi All & welcome back MrsNR glad to hear DS is better now.

Thanks for the advice re lunches ladies, DS has said he loves the idea of ploughmansSmile

Breakfast for me was coffee
Lunch was mushroom & cheese omelette

My day started badly, I get all the way to the hospital with the boys for their screening only to be told all the appointments were for yesterday!!! Yes I am loosing my mind and felt like such a prat!! Blush
However very nice nurse did 4 of the tests anyway(well 2 as DS2 refused to be touched) so only got to back for 2 more now!

AlpinePony · 11/07/2012 12:11

I am having horrors. I feel tired, fed up and this morning the scales are showing a 5lb gain! ShockHmm 5lb, seriously?

I went to the gym and walked out after 10 minutes because all I wanted to do was sit and cry.

AIBU to put the ice-cream maker in the freezer and make low/no-carb ice-cream until I feel I can face the world again?

QueenStromba · 11/07/2012 12:46

Are you due your TOTM Alpine? Are you constipated? Are you drinking enough water? Have you cheated at all? All of these things can affect your weight.

CliffBarnsby · 11/07/2012 13:13

Is this ok:
From yesterday:

Breakfast: Protein shake and coffee
Lunch: pesto chicken w/ mushrooms, spinach and broccoli. (all cooked in butter)
Dinner: left overs ^ And a coffee Carrots (I read they were a no-no after I ate them so I won't be eating them again, I also ate a piece of choc and a bite of the shortcake but only one very small bite- not too bad!)

I feel like I gained weight (my scale is broken- need to get a new one this weekend) but I think it is because I am eating more/larger portions (I am hungrier, too). Could also be because it has been raining an thundering out al haven't run in 3 days. (am in US- not used to this rain!)

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