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Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

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BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
OP posts:
Creamtea1 · 13/07/2012 23:23

Ok thanks queen, so looking like it may vary between take aways - have only had mushroom once it was the same as onion (ie fritter style). We often try variety of places so will try it from a different one and compare and contrast :)

Limonata · 14/07/2012 07:24

As a newbie can I shyly tell you all that I had my curry with 'cauliflower rice' last night. Was delicious. Grated the raw cauli and microwaved it without water. Added butter and seasoning before serving. I was a die hard pilau rice and naan fan before. AND I didn't fall asleep on sofa in a carby curry stained heap as I normally would...

catinboots · 14/07/2012 07:53

carby curry stained heap

That pretty much sums up my entire adulthood Grin

NigellasGuest · 14/07/2012 08:21

Can anyone advise me on electrolytes please?

I am drinking so much water - more than I have ever drunk in my life - with ease because it seems the more i drink the more i want to drink (water of course Grin) It has to be at least 3 litres a day, or more like 4.

I am taking various supplements including magnesium but i am wondering whether I should be taking electrolyte powder too. Particularly as I have been at the same weight for a while (someone upthread mentioned that lack of electrolytes can stop you losing - or I could have imagined it).

Any ideas anyone? Thanks

BIWItheBold · 14/07/2012 08:39

Why do you think you should be taking electrolyte powder? Do you have any particular symptoms?

OP posts:
PMMummy · 14/07/2012 09:41

BIWI I'm up for that - a two week challenge sounds just what I need - slipped off the wagon last night for husbands birthday - curry and beer - and am feeling 2 stone heavier this morning.

Am back with a vengeance Grin

Hello everyone by the way !!

SpringGoddess · 14/07/2012 09:50

On the bhaji-gate thing, in my experience a bhaji on the starter menu is a fritter based snack, whereas a bhaji on the side dishes section tends to be the sauce based dish.

biwi hope you get some answer re your health soon.

humpfrey mucho respect on all that baking and no tasting.

Have visitors staying next week so I can't strict bootcamp - it would be almost rude not to share a glass of wine or two Wink but will be upping the exercise to almost daily instead.

jan2011 · 14/07/2012 10:08

so i put the big bag of nuts and galaxy bar and muffins in a bag to put in dhs car and told him this morning that i might binge on it if its there so would he mind keeping it in the car. MAJOR arguments. about how he thought he was 'allowed' chocolate in the cupboard and how im judging him on his diet and how muffins aren't junk food and he has them for breakfast. i said well keep the muffins in the cupboard but they aren't exactly a healthy breakfast and i want dd to grow up having healthy breakfasts. of course now im judging him for being a bad example, etc etc. he just threw everything in the bin.
my heads wrecked. not worth ever telling dh anything of how i feel. he says it was my fault he got upset for coming to him too early in the morning (9.45am) and in future just to email him with stuff cos i come across all wrong.

sorry for the rant.

ZimboMum · 14/07/2012 10:17

Oh jan, :( your H sounds like an utter arsebiscuit.

TooImmatureTurtleDoves · 14/07/2012 10:29

Jan, it is not your fault your DH got upset! And in what universe are muffins healthy? Has he ever seen a recipe? Confused I'm sure your counselor encouraged you to talk rather than email.

I had home-made Thai curry last night on courgette noodles - mmm! It was delish. Where do we stand on second helpings that are just because things taste so good, rather than because I was still hungry? Should I have resisted?

However, I did have a gin with that pink Russian tonic, which wasn't even slimline, because DH made himself one and it tasted so delicious. And then DH got creative and made 'low-carb' chocolate mousse (which is not really low-carb because there is sugar in dark chocolate). 70% cocoa choc, eggs and Greek yoghurt as there wasn't any cream, although he told me later he'd added a teaspoon of jam for sweetening.

So, a 2 week Bootcamp Bonanza, BIWI? I'm up for that! Have 2 weeks until my next social event so was going to be super-good.

BIWItheBold · 14/07/2012 10:40

Second helpings are fine, as long as

a) you were hungry and really wanted it
b) it was low carb

But Russchian wasn't good (sorry!), and nor was the pudding!

Bootcamp Bonanza Challenge (BBC) is a good name, I reckon!

OP posts:
jan2011 · 14/07/2012 10:43

thanks. yeah they were blueberry muffins not the toasty kind. he was the one who always told me he preferred talking to email - now when it suits him he wants email! men!

TooImmatureTurtleDoves · 14/07/2012 11:13

Grin at BBC!

TooImmatureTurtleDoves · 14/07/2012 12:56

V interesting debate about BMI/healthy/unhealthy weights going on in AIBU. Someone posted a Scandinavian means of calculating your ideal weight. Take your height in cm and deduct 110 from it (always 110 regardless of your height). The answer is your ideal weight in kg.

So 5'2" = 157.5 cm minus 110 = 47.5kg. That's 7.5 stone. Shock

My goal weight was 9 stone, anything under to be a bonus! At 7.5 stone my BMI would be 19. Can I ask, what BMI are you all aiming for? Where is your goal weight on the BMI scale? 9 stone is a BMI of 23 for me.

FiddleDeFat · 14/07/2012 13:01

Sound like a good idea BIWI. I'll have a re-jig of the spreadsheet later tonight to set it up for the Bootcamp Bonanza Challange.

Thegoddessblossom · 14/07/2012 13:20

Jan - trying to see it from both sides - I guess your DH is saying it's his house too and he should be able to have food that he likes to eat (whether it is healthy in your view or not) in the cupboards in the house he lives in. My DH would say the same. I don't mind what food my DH eats, doesn't mean I have to eat it.

Obviously there are other issues, like he is clearly being unreasonable, but on that particular point I can see his POV because my DH can be the same.

Having said all that - DH is now low carbing becuase he is flat on his back with major crippling back pain and I am organising all the food so he is eating what I am eating! Grin

B - cucumber slices with pate
L - leftover cauliflower cheese with a side salad and added mayo. He had a 3 egg omelette instead of cauliflower cheese.

TooImmature - I am the same height as you - I am not a big person, but the last time I was 7.5 stone I was about 8 years old. Shock

SpringGoddess · 14/07/2012 13:31

My BMI is 20, at a BMI of 23 I looked chubby, as one friend called me, harsh but true. I wanted to loose weight so that looking slimmer wasn't my main goal when I chose clothes?

vnmum · 14/07/2012 13:49

according to that calculation my ideal weight would be 7st 3lb i think. God that would be thin, but then again maybe it would be what someone of my height would have been back in the 60's before vanity sizing was introduced.

Right, I need some pointers. I am having my planned cheat tonight and there will be carbs and probably a fair amount of alcohol involved. I know I am probably going to get sugar lows tomorrow after consuming the carbs tonight but how can I cope with those whilst maybe being hungover and sticking with low carb?

TooImmatureTurtleDoves · 14/07/2012 13:55

Vnmum - plan a big breakfast with bacon, eggs, mayo, mushrooms etc? That would help me.

That's exactly it - maybe someone of my height would have been in the 7-8 stone range in the 60s or 70s! The mind boggles. Anyway, I will still be really happy to get a) under 10 stone, b) under 9 stone and the prospect of c) under 8 stone is just a pipe dream at present.

jan2011 · 14/07/2012 14:12

the goddess i totally see it from that point of view too and thanks - the thing is, i told him i don't mind him having a few bars of choc in the house, but can he just not buy multi packs - due to my problem of binging (which we have talked about in the past) as multi packs are too easy for me to overeat when temptation strikes. thankfully its not as much of a problem now. i didn't tell him he could have nothing at all in the house treat wise. am i being unreasonable? if he had a problem i would try to help him. i guess it is his right to do whatever he wants, and to buy whatever he wants, and keep it in the house.

jan2011 · 14/07/2012 14:14

vnmum how are you finding your carb cheat days - are you finding it works for you? i have to cheat next week as a friend invited me out. this will be my first 'planned' cheat as such

NigellasGuest · 14/07/2012 14:17

BIWI I am very fatigued and my eyes are very tired.

mumto2lovelygals · 14/07/2012 14:38

Ok, weighed in yesterday and have lost 1lb ,a bit disappointing but I only have 10 to lose so I would rather it come off slowly but I have lost a whole inch off my waist in one week, I think it is just I am a lot less bloated.

I have drunk wine and not really slowed my consumption of a couple of glasses most nights so that is the next focus, I am trying to persaude DH to break the habit with me! Other than that I have followed the food and I cannot believe how satisfied I feel, I just don't seem to get hungry.

I also need to wee lots and it's like being pregnant again, is this normal?

QueenStromba · 14/07/2012 14:51

Feeling fatigued could well be a sign of low electrolytes and if you're sticking to the bootcamp rules you are almost certainly low on sodium and potassium because of all the water you are drinking and because the kidneys get more efficient at flushing out electrolytes when you stop eating carbs. Personally I think it's bloody irresponsible to advise people to drink 3-4 liters of water a day and not warn them to look out for signs of low electrolytes. From the sounds of it BIWI has some sort of kidney condition which is preventing her from having low electrolytes.

Anyway, I don't know where to get electrolytes on the high street other than Dioralyte which has loads of sugar in it. The stuff I use is this. I put half a teaspoon in a large glass of water 2-3 times a week when I'm feeling low on electrolytes - when I'm right about being low on electrolytes then that amount doesn't even taste overly salty.

QueenStromba · 14/07/2012 14:53

Oh, forgot to say that low potassium can lead to water retention which will stop the scales moving in the right way.