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Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

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BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
OP posts:
BIWItheBold · 13/07/2012 19:12

Carb flu should only affect you at the beginning, and only for a few days.

Have you been feeling like this all the time or is it a more recent thing?

OP posts:
aroomofherown · 13/07/2012 19:17

Hi everyone, just popping in to say that I've been to see a dietitian yesterday (for my reactions to certain foods etc) and it seems I have a leaky gut. She gave me an eating plan which involves small amounts of low GI carbs so I'm going to cave!

Hopefully I'll still be able to drop this stone or two Smile

BettySuarez · 13/07/2012 19:18

I didn't experience it in the first 2 weeks but have been quite rough for about the last 10 days or so. Sad

Consciously adding salt to diet!

mummyduff · 13/07/2012 19:20

biwi sounds great you are a star x

Thegoddessblossom · 13/07/2012 19:30

Sounds good to me BIWI.

DH crippled with back pain on the sofa Sad so I am in charge of tea.

Pork belly with cauliflower cheese, fried courgettes and mushrooms.

Snacks have been a chunk of cheese, and a stick of celery with pate and cream cheese. And 2 large glasses of red because it is FRIDAY WOOOO HOOOOO!!!

Had an interview yesterday and feedback today was very good/ Grin

jan2011 · 13/07/2012 19:30

plan sounds brill Biwi

Sharon im sorry you had rough time with your dh too and so glad things are looking up for you - we have been in marriage counselling for the last 8 months and although some things improved the counsellor finally gave up on us last week so thats it. no- one for us to be accountable to. im putting an application for a council house in next week and if things don't change by the time it comes through im going for trial separation to see if it makes him change :) oh - i also had fried cabbage tonight- its turning into a fave!

yes i might put the junk in his car, good idea!

hillyhilly · 13/07/2012 19:33

It's working amazingly for dh and me, I'm down to 9,7 which is pretty much my goal weight in only two weeks (5/6 lb lost). I'm going to carry on for another couple of weeks until our hols, then try not to go too mad on holiday. But actually I think this might be a plan for life as best of all is that both dh and I are finding that there are no low sugar shakes at all, which we are both prone to.
My only problem is that I've not been for a poo since Tuesday at the least ( can't help but wonder how much I'll have lost when I do poo!!), I'm really trying hard on the water this week and I'll treat myself to a glass of wine tonight which often gets things moving!

SingingTunelessly · 13/07/2012 19:48

Good plan BIWI. Although Bootcamp means no alcohol being really strict doesn't it. . Hope you get an answer soon to your problem, we can't have our leader being unwell. Smile

Hilly, have you tried Physillium Husks? They are recommended when you start this woe. No poo since Tuesday?! You are so going to lose at least 5lb!

HavingAnOffDAy · 13/07/2012 19:57

Sounds good to me. I go away the 1st 2 weeks of August so another bootcamp to follow after that will be great.

BTW - curry ordered & not a carb in sight Shock DH away so I can't dib into his either!

Heartstart · 13/07/2012 20:00

Definitely up for it BiWi

Shimbo · 13/07/2012 20:04

Sounds good to me too BIWI, I have definitely stalled for the last 3 weeks (prob my fault) so would be good to get serious.

Enjoy your curries and friday nights Smile

QueenStromba · 13/07/2012 20:12

BettySuarez - try getting an electrolyte powder like this one. I take about half a teaspoon in a pint of water a couple of times a week when I'm feeling salt deficient.

MrsHerculePoirot · 13/07/2012 20:18

Sounds good BIWI - I'm having a rubbish weekend away, difficult when being looked after and food provided. Have decided to just enjoy it in moderation. Sould be able to get straight back on it on Sunday and then two weeks until holiday so deffo up for super strict boot camp again...

sybilfaulty · 13/07/2012 20:19

SOunds good to me BIWI. I will try to bootcamp hard for 2 weeks. Hope your health issues are resolved speedily and safely.

Betty, so sorry youare feeling rubbish but hope it passes off soon. There are a lot of unpleasant bugs doing the rounds here, so it might be something similar. Fingers crossed it passes soon.

Right, steak and chips salad for supper. Yummers.

ILoveStripeySocks · 13/07/2012 20:32

I ate a cookie :(

Apart from that, I had -

b - Flat mushroom topped with mayo & spring onion, thin slice of cheese on top & oven baked
l - avocado topped with prans & mayo
snack - pork crunch
d - creamy garlic mushrooms with crispy bacon - this was delicious!!

HumphreyCobbler · 13/07/2012 20:39

Hokey - I am also so pleased with the fact that I had no PMS on this WOE. I can't get over it. PMS has blighted my life, and my ability to stay within my target weight, for years. This month I felt fantastic.

I am up for the plan BIWI only I am on Bootcamp light due to the raspberry crop. I can do without the potatoes I grow, or the carrots, or the home produced apple juice/perry, or the apples but I cannot give up the raspberries.....at least the squirrels have eaten the strawberries so not tempted by those!

HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey · 13/07/2012 21:04

Humphrey i really can't believe it nor can my dh!!

I have tried all manner of vitamins and supplements and nothing has ever helped.

I have googled pms a million times and no where have i ever seen any mention of carb reduction helping.

It's like a miracle!!!

BettySuarez · 13/07/2012 21:06

Thanks everyone, queen I did take your advice re salt last week and have been dutifully adding it to meals Smile

I will try rehydration sachets and iron and see how it goes

HumphreyCobbler · 13/07/2012 21:08

I know Grin I have tried ADs without success.

Things I have cooked this week and not eaten

raspberry jam
raspberry jelly
chips
roast butternut squash
baked potatoes
new potatoes FROM THE GROUND
chocolate cake

I am polishing my halo Grin

GreenEyesAndHam · 13/07/2012 21:25

Sounds good BIWI old bean, a Low Carb Quiche if you will. I'm up for another serious Bootcamp, we go away in 3 weeks

Creamtea1 · 13/07/2012 21:53

All the talk of curry earlier made me really want one! Had chicken broccoli and coleslaw instead :(
Can we confirm that mushroom bhaji is really allowed? As have had these and been unsure because of the battery type stuff. Also butter chicken - is that ok? As it does taste quite sweet to me..also makhani chicken?

QueenStromba · 13/07/2012 22:15

I've never had a mushroom bhaji with batter on it.

Creamtea1 · 13/07/2012 22:27

Ok , so now am being thick - if you think of onion bhaji, and at my local Indian mushroom bhaji is same but obviously no onion, just mushroom - they are crispy on the outside and softer in the middle - so the stuff that's crispy and isn't the actual vegetable - isn't that a flour based batter which is then fried?

Creamtea1 · 13/07/2012 22:29

So I googled onion bhaji recipe: onion, eggs, flour, coriander, cumin, oil

QueenStromba · 13/07/2012 22:53

I've looked up one of my local takeaways and their onion bhaji says that it's battered like a fritter but their various other bhajis don't mention it. I've ordered mushroom bhaji and cauliflower bhaji from lots of places and have never had them arrive battered.